Originally Posted by cabinfever
I respectfully disagree. The 7mm is more than ample on elk out to 1000 yds. I personally think anything over 7mm is overkill on any animal you'll hunt in the lower 48. Never been a fan of the ultra mags for this very reason. Why deal with the recoil when it's not necessary. My idea of the perfect rifle is one that will maintain enough energy at a 1000 yds to kill up to elk size game, with the least amount of recoil. The 7mm is that kind of cartridge.
And I've kille 500lbs hogs with a .204 Ruger but I'm not going to recommend it to a rookie for a hog gun.
I know any number of people including myself that have killed 600-1000lbs game at 600-1000yds with the 7mm mag and 7STW.
But shot placement becomes even more critical when energy is minimal and very few people are capable of doing so precisely at those ranges.
As hunters, particularly when we are bringing new people along in the sport I just feel obligated to recommend the "best" weapon and round for a one shot kill every time, not just when an expert marksman is behind a custom long range weapon.
Recoil is simply not a significant factor with most of the mag's and ultra magnums in the era of modern muzzle brakes either. Not for anyone over 140lbs anyhow.