Originally Posted by WildRose
The vital zone of an elk or thousand pound hog is about 18" sq. 2" is nothing.
As for "complicated", no, not at all No need to dope and dial because as I said, I use the mil dots rather than dialing in my elevation/drop.
I've been stacking up bodies with one shot kills with this method for 20 years before ballistic calculators were even available to the public so I know without a doubt it works.
We're not talking about a bench rest competition and the need for sub 1/2MOA groups to win. We're talking about killing a very large animal with a large vital zone under field conditions, not off of a bench.
I figure the kill zone of an elk is about 24"x30" but i still want to put as much in my favor as possible. I can't question your experience and methods. If your experience is a military rilfeman or sniper, you were taught a method to use and probably got thousands of bullets down range and got a very good knowledge and feel for your weapon and probably knew just where to hold at a given range. Some use the holdover method and some dial. Some use drop charts and some a calc. Some use BDC turrets and reticles and some use MOA or Mil.
2" @ 500 yds is no big deal for hunting purposes, but you can get up to 4" or more @ 500 yds with an extreme spread of altitude, temp and pressure which will more than double @ 100 yds. Granted, I am talking about the extreme spread but where I hunt, that spread and even greater is possible. At Air Force Tactics School, Nellis AFB, Nv, their moto was improve the odds. I believe in making things as precise and reliable as "practically" possible.
How good would you say your range estimating skill is at 300 yds in various types of terrain? Mine is about + or - 50 yds sometimes better sometimes worse. With a 200 yd zero I can afford a 50 yd fudge factor and still easily hit the kill zone with almost no mental adjustment. 300 yds, aim upper 3/4 of body, If I'm off 50 yds either way, it's still a kill. With a 500 yd zero, the trajectory curve is much more rainbow and exact range more critical.
Take a look at the zeiss Rapiz Z reticles. They are set up basically using a very similar principle, and ya know, they have enough FOV to get a bullet to 1000yds without indirect fire.
No argument here, if your method is holdover, but for dialing, it's nice to have an extra 20 MOA and it doesn't cost anymore. And if you combine Dialing with holdover, you can go all the farther. When I first joined this site, i thought 1K was going to be my limit, but lately I am thinking of stretching that out to 1500 and 2K.
As for cost, the difference in the bases alone is over 80.00 and another 80.00 or more vs some of the other ring recommendations.
Again, college kid on a tight budget, and a hunting rifle that will be used for a MAX of 1000yds, not a toy being set up specifically for 1000yd shots at the range.
There must be a misunderstanding here, I recommended the EGW 20 MOA base which costs $40.
As enjoyable as our discussion has been, I think this horse is taking its last gasp so I leave you with the last word