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View Poll Results: How do y'all prepare your ammo for long range hunting?
Full lenght resize 129 48.86%
Neck size only with occasional shoulder bump 133 50.38%
Factory loads only 2 0.76%
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Full length resize or neck size only for y'all long range hunters?

 
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Old 05-22-2013, 11:52 AM
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Re: Full length resize or neck size only for y'all long range hunters?

Thanks for the info, XMan. I will check with Hornady on that.
Sidecar: couldn't agree more on the brass. I have gone to Nosler and Lapua for all my brass. The Nosler comes ready to load, , sized, checked for runout, and sorted by weight. I have never had to throw one out, and if you anneal the necks about every fourth loading, they last a long time, depending on caliber. The Lapuas don't arrive quite so detailed, but I have never had one with runout problems. I know this will probably start a firestorm of criticism, but after 50 years of loading for probably 30 different calibers and wildcats, I am not so sure that some of the tiny details we talk about so much really make much difference. A case in point: the two best groups I have ever fired came out of my 300 Win mag Sendero. At 200 yards, I put three shots through the same hole, and only examination under a magnifying glass could you tell that all three, indeed, did pass through the same hole. I fired one more three shot group, two went directly through the same hole, and after the third shot, I looked over at my partner and told him that I pulled the third shot a half inch to the right. I was off a bit; when measured it was .4 to the right. What was interesting is that I was shooting garbage...left overs from various experiments of powders, cases, and primers just to get rid of them. The only thing consistent was the bullet, they were all Nosler Ballistic Tips. It remains a mystery at times.
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Old 05-22-2013, 01:39 PM
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Re: Full length resize or neck size only for y'all long range hunters?

Bottom line is the ptojectile is only as accurate as the julio shooting it can be factoring all the varibles.

You can build the best rounds you can but if your barrel is crap or you have the shakes, it matters little.

The group I hunt with foregoes all the crap, for the most part buys factory ammunition (except me), shoots fine duplex scopes with no hold overs, sights in at 200 and practices 'Kentucky Windage and still brings home the bacon, or elk or sheep or whatever.

You can buy the finest rifle and build the best ammunition but it's only as good as you are competent and competence takes lots of practice, more so than fancy ammo or high dollar guns.

I just happen to like rolling my own.
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Old 05-22-2013, 01:55 PM
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Re: Full length resize or neck size only for y'all long range hunters?

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Thanks for the info, XMan. I will check with Hornady on that.
Sidecar: couldn't agree more on the brass. I have gone to Nosler and Lapua for all my brass. The Nosler comes ready to load, , sized, checked for runout, and sorted by weight. I have never had to throw one out, and if you anneal the necks about every fourth loading, they last a long time, depending on caliber. The Lapuas don't arrive quite so detailed, but I have never had one with runout problems. I know this will probably start a firestorm of criticism, but after 50 years of loading for probably 30 different calibers and wildcats, I am not so sure that some of the tiny details we talk about so much really make much difference. A case in point: the two best groups I have ever fired came out of my 300 Win mag Sendero. At 200 yards, I put three shots through the same hole, and only examination under a magnifying glass could you tell that all three, indeed, did pass through the same hole. I fired one more three shot group, two went directly through the same hole, and after the third shot, I looked over at my partner and told him that I pulled the third shot a half inch to the right. I was off a bit; when measured it was .4 to the right. What was interesting is that I was shooting garbage...left overs from various experiments of powders, cases, and primers just to get rid of them. The only thing consistent was the bullet, they were all Nosler Ballistic Tips. It remains a mystery at times.
I've gotten lazy do I really like Lapua brass and Nosler, especially in large caliber. Lazy has it's price but I don't go to the range and blow off a hundred rounds of bank busting calibers, I practice with a 223 or a rimfire rifle. My favorite by far is the 10-22 Ruger I bought at Wallyworld. New trigger and a Volks tensioned barrel and it's fun, cheap and very accurate and builds that practice confidence, besides it's hell on woodchucks and opossums.

Of the last 3 purchases of both Nosler and Lapua, all cases were right on length, diametrically correct and nicely packaged. All I did was chamfer the mouths, check the flash holes and load them. What cou8ld be easier.

Interestingly, I ordered 1000 223 OFMB/LC and 500 308 OFMB/LC sized, cleaned, trimmed to length and primer pockets rebated and reamed from Sarch (Top Brass) in February. It took me 3 month to get them but I must say that out of the entire lot of 1500, 1 of the 223 cases was unloadable, the case mouth had a divot in it, all the 308's were perfect. Case length was within 0.005 across all the cases. All I did was chamfer (VLD) the case mouth, seat the primers and load them.

I'll be buying all my OF Brass from them. It's a wait but well worth the price.
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Old 05-22-2013, 05:06 PM
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Re: Full length resize or neck size only for y'all long range hunters?

Overall I have had my best luck with Lapua. If I can get it I will buy it every time.
I like Nosler brass, but if just doesn't last very long in my 300Win or 338 Edge....I don't load either overyly hot.

In my 300Win Remington has become my current favorite...who knows why, but the lot I got shoots and it lasts.

I have some 556LC that has something like 20 firings. I anneal it when it starts to crack again and it just keeps going!
I bought 2000 Winchester 223 cases recently that came with nasty burs and D shaped flash holes! Out of curiosity I put some together with my gopher load (52 grain Speer Hp over 24.5 grains of 748)....My normal 3/4 MOA gopher load (on a good day) was tearing ragged bugholes at 200 yards! You should have seen my buddies laugh every time I stood up bewildered and said "I can't believe it!". I was ripping 5 shot bugholes with the most unlikely combination I can think of! Better than the same load with Lapua brass!

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Old 05-22-2013, 06:21 PM
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Re: Full length resize or neck size only for y'all long range hunters?

I shoot Benchrest comp and only FL size both my comp rifle brass and my hunting rifle brass. Since I cant seem to spell the word I want to use, you want every round to be the same and with FL sizing they will be. Size them just enough so you can feel the brass when closing the bolt without the firing pin in the bolt.
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Old 05-22-2013, 07:05 PM
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Re: Full length resize or neck size only for y'all long range hunters?

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I shoot Benchrest comp and only FL size both my comp rifle brass and my hunting rifle brass. Since I cant seem to spell the word I want to use, you want every round to be the same and with FL sizing they will be. Size them just enough so you can feel the brass when closing the bolt without the firing pin in the bolt.
Interesting, I do to. I shoot in a league for fun though. 100 yards with a (of all things) a 223 Ruger Mini 14 thats not a mini 14 anymore and it don't spit brass 40 feet either. 1" diameter bulls with score rings, 10 to a sheet, 3 sheets to a day. I don't use a sled, I don't like them. I use a cheap bag rest on the buttstock and my Harris 2 axis on the front.

I won a bet with the rifle once. Cost the bettor 50 bucks. He told me I couldn't blow the head off the upper pin on the target board with one shot, the first shot..... he lost. I shoot Hornady 55 grain FMJBT's in good old LC OFMB with a few grains of H335 and CCI Benchrest primers set at standard COAL because it's gas blowback. I've got an adjustable gas block so I keep it turned down where it just cycles and thats it.

Same flavor I loaded fror a friend but custom set the COAL to his chamber. He tried 10 beforehand and 5 went in the same hole (albeit ragged hole) at 100 yards. He has an over the counter Savage bolt with a Leupy Rifleman scope and dreaded (for me at least) Leupy QR mounts. I never use them and won't but it's his show, not mine.
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Old 05-22-2013, 09:51 PM
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Re: Full length resize or neck size only for y'all long range hunters?

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You can buy the finest rifle and build the best ammunition but it's only as good as you are competent and competence takes lots of practice, more so than fancy ammo or high dollar guns.
I canít agree more. Combining accuracy with precision = reaping the enjoyment. One aspect with precision reloading, the strict attention to detail tends to create a passion which bleeds over into other finite skills required for long range hunting.
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