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View Poll Results: How do y'all prepare your ammo for long range hunting?
Full lenght resize 129 48.86%
Neck size only with occasional shoulder bump 133 50.38%
Factory loads only 2 0.76%
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Full length resize or neck size only for y'all long range hunters?

 
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Old 05-21-2013, 12:04 PM
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Re: Full length resize or neck size only for y'all long range hunters?

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I haven't found an accuracy difference either between FL and neck sizing. My run outs tend to be better with neck sizing. The biggest advantage for me is time savings and longer case life with neck sizing. I can get up to 2x the case life by body sizing every 4th or 5th firing.
With a 1-2 thou bump case life is not a problem....but I usually chuck my cases at 15 firings.

90% of BR, F-class, or tactical competitors full length these days because of better accuracy and reliability.

My 6mmbr is definitely more accurate with Fl sizing...Neck sized it shoots 2-4s while FL sized it shoots 1-2s (when I am up to the task). Can't say about the other chambers, but I believe I see fewer fliers.
I do know I am far more likely to get a dread doughnut in 5-10 firings from partial sizing the neck....Then nothing shoots.

Your runout is better Neck sizing because of your FL die setup.
Have you ever tried a custom FL die with no decap ball and rod?
Its not that expensive and is definitely worth a try...If you lived closer I would loan you a few to try.

Neck sizing is definitely quicker...and quicker usually means more shooting!
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Old 05-21-2013, 01:44 PM
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Re: Full length resize or neck size only for y'all long range hunters?

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My 6mmbr is definitely more accurate with Fl sizing...Neck sized it shoots 2-4s while FL sized it shoots 1-2s (when I am up to the task). Can't say about the other chambers, but I believe I see fewer fliers.

What are your experiences with full length sizing using a neck bushing such as the Redding FL type S dies for mag cartridges with SAAMI spec chambers?
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Old 05-21-2013, 02:12 PM
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Re: Full length resize or neck size only for y'all long range hunters?

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I neck size for my bolt guns until the cases get snug, then I bump the shoulder back .002. Saves a step in the reloading process.
I size about 80% on the neck, and leave the last bit unsized to center the round in the chamber.
My exact routine. Has been for decades.
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Old 05-21-2013, 02:55 PM
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Re: Full length resize or neck size only for y'all long range hunters?

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What are your experiences with full length sizing using a neck bushing such as the Redding FL type S dies for mag cartridges with SAAMI spec chambers?
This is actually a pretty complicated and convoluted question to answer.
The short answer is I have them in a dozen calibers or so and I have come to prefer a standard die for hunting applications.

Does the bushing size die create more accurate ammunition? Not in my experience.
I don't like the bushing die because it can not size the entire neck so it ultimately encourages a "dread doughnut" which is absolutely detrimental to accuracy. The way around this is neck turning or reaming, but this opens another can of worms in a non neck turn chamber. In other words the bushing die takes you down the bench rest road whether you want it or not, whether your rifle is set up for it or not, and whether you need or benefit from it or not.
The real purpose of the bushing die is to adjust for clearance cut by neck turning/tight neck chambers. Well....I have been down the road of a tight neck chamber and saw zero increase in accuracy. I admit and understand that at the benchrest level neck turning and tight chambers are part of the game, but any potential increase would be so small as to be of no use to a long range hunter.
I am skimming over some finer points, but those are the broad brush strokes of my experience.

If you want a little looser neck die Forster will cut it to your specs for $10.00 over the regular die cost. Once you get the neck tension right you can abandon the expander/decapper..A big upside.
Redding will do this as well, but they are a little more expensive.
You can also send them 3 fired cases and they will make a die to suite with the neck to your specifications.
This is what I do.

Is the Redding Micrometer seating die worth the money? I think so.
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Old 05-21-2013, 07:47 PM
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Re: Full length resize or neck size only for y'all long range hunters?

I neck size everything, bumping the shoulder back a bit as many have suggested. I have 3, 300Win mags, and the difference in chamber size is amazing. My Tikka and my Sendero are light years apart. Cases fired in the Tikka will not chamber in the Sendero without full length resizing, so I have to keep every labeled for the appropriate gun. I have not had runout problems with any of my neck sizers, but I had serious runout problems with the full length sizer for my.338 Lapua. Going to a neck sizer solved the problem. Somewhere I remember seeing a tool which just amounted to a block of steel with holes drilled in it for the outside neck size of numerous calibers. Any case with a slight runout , after loading, could be stuck in the right hole, and with a slight pressure, the neck could be straightened. Anybody know anything about this, because I have not been able to find where I originally saw it.
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Old 05-21-2013, 08:02 PM
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Re: Full length resize or neck size only for y'all long range hunters?

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I neck size everything, bumping the shoulder back a bit as many have suggested. I have 3, 300Win mags, and the difference in chamber size is amazing. My Tikka and my Sendero are light years apart. Cases fired in the Tikka will not chamber in the Sendero without full length resizing, so I have to keep every labeled for the appropriate gun. I have not had runout problems with any of my neck sizers, but I had serious runout problems with the full length sizer for my.338 Lapua. Going to a neck sizer solved the problem. Somewhere I remember seeing a tool which just amounted to a block of steel with holes drilled in it for the outside neck size of numerous calibers. Any case with a slight runout , after loading, could be stuck in the right hole, and with a slight pressure, the neck could be straightened. Anybody know anything about this, because I have not been able to find where I originally saw it.
It was originally an old lawnmower blade and it was Ross Seyfried
I think Hornady makes something like that now.
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Re: Full length resize or neck size only for y'all long range hunters?

As a rule, I FL with bushing dies 90% of the time. NS ocassionally depending on caliber and cartridge to chamber fit.

Additionally, IMO, one of the most important aspects is buying high quality brass the firat time. Cheap brass don't work. Just ask Hornady.
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