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Old 11-30-2004, 03:36 PM
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Re: First "shot" at Long-Range-Hunting!

JB,

This long range game is a funny thing, to do it right, we have to be able to sit on our rifles for long periods of time just waiting for that 5 to 10 second window that will allow us a clean, clear shot at the vitals without the fear of the animal moving during the shot.

Most that think long range hunting is a lazy mans sport certainly do not know the level of mental strength it takes to be a proficient killer at long range. Anyone can hit a target at long range with quality gear and a little practice.

It takes a true long range hunter to slip a single bullet through the vitals of a game animal at long range.

It take even more of a long range hunter to let animals walk even though they are right there in front of you. Still recognizing that your first group of does did not offer a quality shot is a huge thing, especially when your reved up looking for that first long range kill after all the practice.

Patients is a virtue here and you have it. Respect for the game is what makes one pull off a shot when they know it is risky.

There will always be another chance and in your case, the same day.

You did eveything correct, you practiced, waited and made a fine "called" shot meaning you knew where the bullet would land.

Congrats again. Only thing that could be improved upon is bullet performance but clearly your deer is dead with one shot, hard to argue to hard against that.

Just goes to show you that its shot placement above all else that kills animals.

Good Shooting!!

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Old 11-30-2004, 03:41 PM
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Brown Dog,

I was not referring to your post in any way. I do not think you were taking a hard line at JB at all in any way.

I would agree that the bullet performance would have created some reason to doubt the shot placement but that is a bullet issue not a shot plaement issue as we all agree.

I never read anything in your post to think you were flaming on JB.

Just a bunch of guys talking hunting and bullet performance on game is what it sounds like to me!! [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Good Shooting!!!

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Old 11-30-2004, 03:42 PM
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Re: First "shot" at Long-Range-Hunting!

50,
You pipped me by 2 minutes! See my post just before your last [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 11-30-2004, 03:42 PM
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Re: First "shot" at Long-Range-Hunting!

JB,

I would agree the heart is a very tasty treat!!!

Good Shooting!!

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Old 11-30-2004, 03:47 PM
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Re: First "shot" at Long-Range-Hunting!

50,

I doubt we could post twice simultaneously if we tried to do it on purpose! [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 11-30-2004, 06:22 PM
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Re: First "shot" at Long-Range-Hunting!

Brown Dog,

Probably not but 1 minute off os as close as we can tell I suppose!! [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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Old 11-30-2004, 06:25 PM
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Re: First "shot" at Long-Range-Hunting!

Interesting situation(s).

As relayed by Brown Dog I'd have suspected a round to the groceries by the "humped up" stance and this may well have been caused by mechanism that produced the protruding intestines. The intestines protruding without "apparent" damage would seem to me to indicate the diaphragm was torn/ruptured (wound channel dynamics perhaps) just at the exit wound--the intestines were probably forced through the ruptured diaphragm and out the exit wound by the reaction and perhaps subsequent tensing of the abdominal muscles. Probably also a good deal of the intestines entered and remained in the pleural cavity. The actual mechanism that causes the "humped up" response is not known to me but the trauma to the diaphragm may be the cause. Recall that animals breath in a different manner/rhythm than humans, they have a gait related cycle also and perhaps the expiratory cycle, the "humped" recoil position is caused by this exhale need/desire. They don't/she didn't move significantly after the event so they don't get into the extention position or gaited inhale cycle, just stuck in the gaited exhale position but breathing. (I do believe this is beyond the scope/realm of their experience and they really are stuck in a "what the hell is happening and if I stand still maybe it'll go away".)

The entrance wound in a little high and forward IMHO and the critter was obviously angled as evidenced by the exit wound so I also suspect, as did others, that the near side lung was not damaged or was only slightly damaged. The intestines may have stopped/stoppered the exit wound preventing the introduction of air into the pleural space prevented the lungs from collapsing as quickly as is usually seen in through-and-through chest wounds. The entrance wound being small, high and perhaps through more the just chest wall muscle, could have self sealed.

The critter, probably as described, felt no pain, shock is a handy and merciful thing, and eventually bled out or suffocated after losing consciousness.

The other deer didn't move as they weren't aware of any danger...nothing obviously wrong other than the odd stance, but no flight response, of the soon to be dead doe. This is common to seen when shooting deer at extended distances or from a well hidden place. If there is no-one to signal danger, as in "run away", why leave??

Brown Dog.

People are a bit lucky in design when compared to quadruped animals. In normal face-on or back-to stance we present a difficult shot for a double lung unlike a deer with it's supple neck and common side-to stance. We can become a one lunger for a bit as your friend shows and if the hole(s) are plugged and no major vascular damage is present we often survive. Put a round through both lungs, and perhaps the intervening plumbing and there's a much bigger problem.


Just my guess(es) and opinion... I've been wrong before. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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