Originally Posted by fmajor
We can all line up our own team of experts, successes, performance benchmarks, etc etc ad nauseum to support our position. However, it is entirely possible at the end of the discussion to remain on opposite ends of the idea continuum. Is this all bad? To have choices is a good thing.
I agree. The more options there are, the better.
I think we finally stumbled onto the core issue. Broz is an expert in the ways of SFP. It's what he's comfortable with, and can get it done in any situation with SFP optics. It's tried, proven, and effective. I too can make
a SFP optic do what ever I would need to get the shot done.
FFP is new, and the more expertise someone has with SFP the less appreciation they have for FFP.
I can not get Broz to concede anything good about FFP. While I can concede several good things about SFP. Namely as it pertains to low magnifications. When I say things like "I can get specific number-based holds on any power." I'm met with "why the hell would you want or need that" types of responses.
This is born out of our different shooting habits and experiences. Sounds like Broz is a guide. You couldn't pay me to do that job. I would hate dealing with people's idiocy while hunting. I've seen it first hand, and want no part of it. I spend a great deal of time competition shooting, and also
long range hunting.
Broz's way of old, works flawlessly for hunting, I'm sure. Yet will never carry over and be as effective as FFP in a tactical rifle competition setting. If it were, the top tactical competitors would have SFP optics instead of FFP. My way, with FFP optics, is perfectly suited to tactical competition AND
long range hunting. I have a few dozen kills on big game from 500-800yds to prove it... with my personal best being a nice oregon mulie at 945yds. Sounds like Broz has a great deal more experience in big game hunting than I. I've never even shot an elk. Whitetail, antelope, and mulies is the extent of my big game experience. I have some nice ones on the wall to prove my chosen gear works just as well as Broz's when it comes to taking game at distance. He maintains his claim that FFP is inferior to SFP for ELR, and we will absolutely remain on opposite ends of that argument. Outside of this website, it's Broz that would be taking the beating, instead of myself. ;) This is due to there being more shooters on here doing it his way, than mine. Why wouldn't there be? FFP is relatively new, and as a result, far fewer people using it. On other sites, in other circles, that would be reversed.
Keep one thing in mind. It's very frustrating to listen to people claim a certain thing doesn't work well, when I and many others have seen it work well for years. I'm not saying SFP doesn't work. I'm simply opposing those claiming FFP doesn't
work. It does, and it works quite well. For some, it works better
Think about that for a second. If you are using something, and it works great, and others claim it doesn't work... what conclusions could you draw?
1) They don't know how to use it.
2) Theirs is broken, or not the right one.
3) It works, but they simply don't "prefer it" and will claim it doesn't work anyway, for various reasons.
If people have used FFP optics, and don't like it. I'm fine with that.
It's when they start claiming that FFP optics can't get it done as well as SFP. That's when I have a problem.