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First Focal Plane Vs. Second Focal Plane

 
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Old 03-18-2013, 11:23 AM
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It would be enormously helpful if some of the FFP guys would get a list of FFP optics and their reticle specs, I've found a good number of them but some are just a bugger to find. So far the only one that comes close to what seems to be the thin reticle standard of the NP-R1 is the Premier 5-25 then the next thinnest I can find is the Vortex HS LR 6-24 in FFP and then the Premier 3-15, from there it just gets ridiculous and I found some up at .250 MOA. Can't find the break down for the SWFA SS HD scopes but that is one I'd like to know because of the price range.
A few I know about.

Premier Gen 2 XR (in Premier scopes only) .025 MIL/.085 MOA
Bushnell Tactical G2- .03 MIL/.1 MOA

I am pretty sure I have the SS 5-20 specs at home. Will post those later.

SS 5-20 .05 MIL/.17 MOA main line thickness, .015 MIL/.05 MOA MQ Dot size

Scot E.

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Old 03-18-2013, 11:29 AM
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I didn't realize you were so very sensitive jeff. I wasn't aware that any of that post would hurt your feelings.
Greg, I don't know what the burr is you got under your saddle but Jeff is about one of the most humble straight shootin men you will ever meet, if you do meet him. IMO the above post is quite unnecessary and unproductive.
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Old 03-18-2013, 11:38 AM
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Greg, I don't know what the burr is you got under your saddle but Jeff is about one of the most humble straight shootin men you will ever meet, if you do meet him. IMO the above post is quite unnecessary and unproductive.
I don't ride horses.

... and for jeff to take exception to my post pointing out S&B's deficiencies and claiming personal attack, that is just ridiculous.
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Old 03-18-2013, 11:40 AM
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I have heard good thing about the S&B PMII from another shooter that does indeed shoot well past 2000 yards. My trust in him and his credibility has me looking them over. He chooses the S&B over the Premier and has tested them both extensively. Seems the Premier failed the PSR contract testing with some construction issues. And the glass prescription for both were written by the same engineers. So the problem was with the rest of the scope not glass.



Jeff
Jeff,

I would encourage you to go to snipershide and read over some of the recent issues many are having with S&B. Lowlight, the owner of "the hide" has used S&B for years and pretty much stated he won't buy one again until they get their crap together. I would personally be really hesitant. They are having all kinds of issues, turret, parallax, all kinds of bad stuff, especially for the price they charge.

I feel for Premier, they have had some tough times and I think that has hurt their scope rep when their quality was never an issue. If their new relationship works out I feel confident they will be back at or near the top seat as far as top end optics are concerned. IF NF would just step up and give you a .0625 MOAR reticle you would never have to look elsewhere!

Scot E.
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Old 03-18-2013, 11:42 AM
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Re: First Focal Plane Vs. Second Focal Plane

I hate to see speculation, when this info is readily accessible on the web.
0.21MOA is the width of the reticle on the 4-16 and 0.18MOA on the 6-24
Neither of those number is a limiting factor to me. Yes it would probably help if both horizontal and the vertical actually stopped short of going all the way to the center (like a 1/4MOA gap each way for a 1/2 MOA "hole"). Perhaps if enough of us ask for it, Vortex will listen.





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My Vortex Dealer has just told me that Reticle on the 4-16x50 FFP is .06mm which according to Spec sheets meens that it will Cover 6mm AT 100yds, and the 4-16x50 SFP is 0.03mm which meens the Reticle at 100yds Does Cover 3mm of the Target,

So at 400yds 6mm will cover around an Inch which is not good if your trying to keep a tight group and at 500 thats nearly an Inch and 1/4, So although its not good to loose sight of your rounds on the Target If you think that this only has a serious effect at 100 Possibly 200 and maybe 300yds when you sighting in your scope But really at 100yds is only just the width of a .308 hole anyway, So the SFP covers 3mm does have the slight edge in this case, But after getting all the specs on the top brand scopes etc these Vortex are way in front of the rest because their nearest competitors Reticles are a bit more than Double the thickness

So thankyou again to The Person who told me about them here,

John
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Old 03-18-2013, 11:48 AM
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Scot, Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Vortex actually has one offered in the PST. Most others are running twice or more as thick with maybe the Premier being at, or just under .1 moa. My fear is then what it will look like on 5X. I am afraid it would not be good in timber.

Jeff
I don't think so anymore. They had an earlier reticle that was thinner but I think they stopped offering it. I think the current PST offerings are close the MOAR in thickness.

The razor is the one that has the open center reticle which is nice. That may have been what you were thinking.

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Old 03-18-2013, 11:51 AM
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IF NF would just step up and give you a .0625 MOAR reticle you would never have to look elsewhere!
Scot E.
I remain optimistic about this being possible in the future. I and others in higher chairs than I have talked to them about the need. I am pushing for just dropping the thickness of the floating crosshair. Might be the best of both worlds? But it could end up simply as a "MOAR thin"

But yes, either would be nice if the ATACR is what we hope it is. I will know shortly as I will be looking through one mounted up by the end of the week and sending lead very soon.

Jeff
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