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First Focal Plane Vs. Second Focal Plane

 
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Old 03-03-2013, 10:21 PM
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Re: First Focal Plane Vs. Second Focal Plane

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Edit to add: One more thing on the pic you posted. Would you not agree that this shot would even be easier if the target with the 6x6" head grew in size and the reticle did not? That is what I am saying and what the SFP does for me. I am not saying the shot can not be done with a FFP. But what I said was I prefer a larger target without the reticle growing. This is the fact and the difference in SPF / FFP and why I like the SFP better.
Academically, yes you are correct. Bigger target, smaller reticle will provide for a finer aim point.

However, non-academically, do you really find yourself using an optic with more than 25x magnification in the field?

What is your go-to optic right now Broz?
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Re: First Focal Plane Vs. Second Focal Plane

Is there a decent FFP optic out there with a thin reticle like the Premier 5-25 for less than 3500 dollars?
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Old 03-03-2013, 10:23 PM
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I think I'll take you up on that. If I get a tag, I'll be headed out to Oregon for mule deer this september. Townsend is right along the way with a tiny detour up north. I'll gladly bring all my wares along and we can make a day of it. If you have any extra elk like the one in your signature... I'll try to talk you into pointing me at one of those as well. ;)
Awesome, That would be fun! I think you would enjoy the time spent here shooting. As far as elk, I shot the last one left last season and it makes the one below look like a squeeker. ;) But a few more have moved in. There were 600 out my back window this am and probably another 400 within 3 miles from here.

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Old 03-03-2013, 10:36 PM
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Academically, yes you are correct. Bigger target, smaller reticle will provide for a finer aim point.

However, non-academically, do you really find yourself using an optic with more than 25x magnification in the field?

What is your go-to optic right now Broz?
Yes, if I could get it all in one package. I have tried the 8x32 NXS and probably would have stayed with it, if it were not for the loss of elevation, 65 moa is simply not enough and I am not fond of hold over. 32x did cause some mirage issues on the more humid days, but humidity is not something that we fight here daily. There are frequent days where 32x is doable. So I dropped back to the 5.5x22 NXS and the NP-R1 , I have a few of those now as well as a new ATACR for my new build. The NP-R1 with the .062 cross is the best I can find but would welcome a .050 reticle cross. I am going to give the ATARC a go but get sick thinking about the .140 cross hairs. That does not allow for a very precise aim point. Maybe the better glass will help. I hope to have the option to change that reticle in the future. But for now, and for the LRKM Shawn is building me in .338 Terminator +P I really need the 125 MOA of elevation and the 25 X is of some improvement too. Find me a SFP, MOA, scope with 125 plus of elevation, and a super thin cross, with 25 x plus, and I will be giddy.

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Old 03-03-2013, 11:16 PM
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Is there a decent FFP optic out there with a thin reticle like the Premier 5-25 for less than 3500 dollars?
There are a few. However the rest of the features might not be there. If we are just talking reticles however, there are a few.

Kahles K624i is a 6-24, and you can get it with the Mil-6 reticle. Very good reticle which is similar to the GenIIXR found in the Premier. You can get one of those around the $2800 mark.

The GenIIXR reticle in the 3-15 Light tactical is thin as well, but it lacks magnification. At $2200, it's much cheaper however.

There are a couple others off the top of my head with thin reticles, but I'd have to go do a bit of research. There aren't enough of them, in my opinion. This is why it's so important to ensure that the myths of old don't continue. The more support FFP gets, the more options there will be. We really can have our cake and eat it too, but the message of what we are looking for needs to get to the manufacturers.

I guess if there were a cheaper scope that mirrored the performance of a Premier... I'd be using it instead. ;)
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Old 03-03-2013, 11:39 PM
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Re: First Focal Plane Vs. Second Focal Plane

Here's another through-the-scope on a mule deer. About 800yds out. (never got an exact range)

Pretty easy to make that work huh? ;)

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Pretty easy to make that work huh? ;)
Or you could have two SFP Nightforce 5.5 ~ 22 NXS's that would work just as well for this shot or better for the same price. ;) Now come on, there are many scopes out there that will work on a deer at 800 yards. But when you start holding on a coyote at a mile, or a gopher at 1000 the ducks better be in line and a fine point of aim is crucial.

This shot was made with a SFP. 1002 yards, note the wind blowing the steel target, and no problem. We took the video through a spotting scope. Scope was a NXS.

What would a FFP have done for us here? Would you agree that the finer the reticle and the larger the target would help on this shot?

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