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First Focal Plane Vs. Second Focal Plane

 
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Old 03-10-2013, 11:32 AM
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Re: First Focal Plane Vs. Second Focal Plane

The hollow center is by far my favorite,wish all where this way.Was out last weekend,first shot to warm up at 200,put 1 1/2 stcky dot in center.I took out the black diamond, I can aim at bullet holes for targets.You cant get any more precise.Most bench at 1000 us the dot,that is on a white center,that gets naturally centered with eye.Small bore 50 ' indoor is black bull centerd by "eye" in peep,there is no cross hair and perfect 100's are shot
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:03 AM
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From the time I range to the time I pull the trigger on a long range animal, there is no change, it might as well be a target frame. If the animal does move it's re range and re dial and we're back to the same fixed range.
i am not finding fault with this comment. or for that matter most others that have been stated here. ive had numerous conversations with broz with regard to long range hunting. for the most part i would concur with just about all he says.
i do want to add one thing which i feel many of you lose sight of.
all places in this big country arent the same. yes the way we shoot is no different nor the way we range etc etc etc.
but the country in which we hunt is different and so are some of the animals that live there.
if you would hunt whitetails especially during the rut on the steep tree covered hills we hunt as you described,
figere on getting your hat handed to you on most occaisions.
first off he's got one thing on his mind and it aint cooperating with you.
that means he's on the move and when he does stop odds are you wont have a shot due to trees. next time he stops could be the same or he could stop just long enough to allow you a shot. now im not making this scenario up.
this is real life stuff.
how long you gonna screw around with your program and redialing before it sinks in he's almost over the top of the hill?
well i guarantee thats only gonna happen once at least for most guys.
chances for us easterners dont happen that often and when they do youd sometimes best be creative rather than good.
and thats where reticles can be very helpfull.
one more thing. next time you guys are out in the woods go sit under say a 16" oak tree. and as your sitting there with your back against that tree take a look straight up at all those branches. now just 20' over there and there and there there are others with all those branches overlapping.
now lets talk about first round cold bore hits.
because that scenario is also reality.

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Old 03-11-2013, 12:39 AM
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Re: First Focal Plane Vs. Second Focal Plane

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how long you gonna screw around with your program and redialing before it sinks in he's almost over the top of the hill?

now lets talk about first round cold bore hits.
because that scenario is also reality.
We just wait until he reappears on the 5th ridge over. Then snipe him from 1000+ yds...
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:13 AM
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Re: First Focal Plane Vs. Second Focal Plane

Been checking in on this thread now and then. Haven't read all the posts but thought I'd throw my two beans in the pot.

I've got a 5.5-22X50 NXS SFP NP-R2. There are basically only 2 powers I use. The 5.5x and the 22x. Most of my hunting is spot and stalk walking around. While hunting in the search (walking) mode, my scope is always set to 5.5x in case something close appears. Anything from zero to 250 yds is point blank hold. Beyond 250, I am ranging and anything to 350 is an easy T-LAR (That Looks About Right) adjustment in elevation. Anything beyond 350 and I am cranking up to 22X and processing the dope.

No reason in the world do I need a FFP. I won't take hurried LR shots. If things aren't right, I don't shoot. If I've got time to range, process the dope and make the shot, I've got time to dial it. If in the very rare instance I might use my reticle to holdover, I'm good to go at 22x.
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:39 AM
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Re: First Focal Plane Vs. Second Focal Plane

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The hollow center is by far my favorite,wish all where this way.Was out last weekend,first shot to warm up at 200,put 1 1/2 stcky dot in center.I took out the black diamond, I can aim at bullet holes for targets.You cant get any more precise.Most bench at 1000 us the dot,that is on a white center,that gets naturally centered with eye.Small bore 50 ' indoor is black bull centerd by "eye" in peep,there is no cross hair and perfect 100's are shot
I have never used one until I recently purchased two Weaver Tactical scopes which both have hollow centers. I find these reticles far superior, with several practical advantages, the best of those advantages being precise aim. Wondered if others thought the same. This seems to be a major stride in solving reticle size issues with FFP systems.
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:18 PM
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We just wait until he reappears on the 5th ridge over. Then snipe him from 1000+ yds...
That is a little tough when the ridge he is on is already 1100 to begin with. ;-)
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:08 PM
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Re: First Focal Plane Vs. Second Focal Plane

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If any of the readers here (Mr. Orkan excluded) feels I have posted any inaccurate facts or misled anyone please tell me and I will gladly stop posting on this thread. I wish it were easier to get a point across in print but it is very hard some times.

Trust me when I say if I felt a FFP would bring something to my table my new ELR rifle would be wearing one. I just don't see it and I have tried.

Jeff
Broz, I dont feel that you you stuffed anything up and your both right about your own scopes highs and lows, and theres no way would I spend $3500 on a scope, I've done most of my most amazing shots with cheaper scope, and like you I to like the fact that when I zoom in that the target gets bigger while the cross hairs stay small now saying that I have no doubts that these FFP's are the are the Ducks Guts of scopes for applied situations, but the SFP has done all these tasks since Jesus played Quarter Back for Jerusalum,

Now at the moment I'm thinking of buying a Bushnell 6500/Tac scope and yet like I said I have done my best shots with much cheaper scope than that, Like you if my shot has been 6" left and 3" down i just move up 3" and 6" right, Job Done,

Plus the fact the deer dont care what scope it gets shot with, Bottom line is their all just tools and it dont matter what scope you got if you cant shoot,

When I practice at the range I use 5yard/meter air pistol targets at a 100yds because the 10 ring is so small and the harder that I can make it for my self the better and I dont use a scope stronger than 9 or 10 power and when I do this,

Blessin's John
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