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First Focal Plane Vs. Second Focal Plane

 
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Old 03-05-2013, 10:30 PM
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Re: First Focal Plane Vs. Second Focal Plane

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The only DFP scope I could find was a US Optics that was in 1-4x configuration.
They have a 1-8 as well. That is one fantastic optic. Point in fact, one of the most amazing optics I've ever handled in my life.
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Because at 25x it looks like the image below. Not as much FOV, and not as much reticle seen.

I understand the only benefit to available ffp scopes, reticle substensions. But, how is not being able to see the whole reticle, with a decent field of view, on max power a benefit to me for long range hunting?
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Old 03-06-2013, 12:21 AM
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I understand the only benefit to available ffp scopes, reticle substensions. But, how is not being able to see the whole reticle, with a decent field of view, on max power a benefit to me for long range hunting?
Field of view is the same whether you are talking FFP or SFP.
How much reticle you have available at max magnification is also the same.

What is different, is when you reduce magnification, the reticle scales in proportion to the image. In SFP, the reticle is fixed.



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Re: First Focal Plane Vs. Second Focal Plane

Awesome read and I commend everyone for staying civil and having a good debate. I have always hunted with SFP scopes up until a couple years ago and have gone FFP since. FWIW I have also gone from MOA to strictly a MIL/MIL setup.

Disclaimer: My shooting is from close to far and is more hunting, tactical and range estimation (without lasers). I live in one of the most humid states (PA) so backing down on magnification and still being able to use my reticle for ranging and calling shots with a spotter is a must.

After reading this thread I definitely see a benefit for SFP scopes (Long range shooting: hunting/punching paper where the max magnification can be used). For my use and application SFP reticles are useless. I rarely if ever use max magnification (Hard to find ranges in PA over 1,000 yards… really need to move out west) the humidity is terrible in the summer so dialing down is crucial, working with a spotter and in situations where ranging with a laser is not allowed/practical being able to use mils the WHOLE way through the range of magnification trumps any advantage SFP scopes offer.


To sum it up, SFP vs. FFP is the same argument as MOA/MOA vs. MIL/MIL. Use what your individual situation dictates and what you are comfortable with. The most important thing is connecting with your target.

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Re: First Focal Plane Vs. Second Focal Plane

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I rarely if ever use max magnification (Hard to find ranges in PA over 1,000 yards…

To sum it up, SFP vs. FFP is the same argument as MOA/MOA vs. MIL/MIL. Use what your individual situation dictates and what you are comfortable with. The most important thing is connecting with your target.
A few question if I may as some of your statement is on track with my belief and what I stated in an earlier post.

What is your typical shot distance and what would be your max distance shot where you live and hunt?

Do you range with the reticle often while hunting or is that used mostly for practice on known size targets?

And third can you tell us what FFP scope model you went with that you like?

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Old 03-06-2013, 09:32 AM
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Re: First Focal Plane Vs. Second Focal Plane

This comparison alone to me is a very good comparison and shows some of the reasons I prefer the SFP. Take a good look at it no matter which way you may be going.

Good post Orkin.

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Field of view is the same whether you are talking FFP or SFP.
How much reticle you have available at max magnification is also the same.

What is different, is when you reduce magnification, the reticle scales in proportion to the image. In SFP, the reticle is fixed.



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Old 03-06-2013, 04:06 PM
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A few question if I may as some of your statement is on track with my belief and what I stated in an earlier post.

What is your typical shot distance and what would be your max distance shot where you live and hunt?

Do you range with the reticle often while hunting or is that used mostly for practice on known size targets?

And third can you tell us what FFP scope model you went with that you like?

Thanks
Jeff
Most of where I hunt is central PA. Shot distance is typically 15 yards to 400... Hardly long range! I started reading this forum a year ago while planning an Elk trip to Gunnison Colorado. I'll be the first person to call myself a newbie when it comes to long range shooting.

No, I typically don't range while hunting with a reticle. A laser range finder is always with me.

Honestly I'm still searching for the perfect scope. I've used Leupold, Bushnell, Vortex, and shot friends Night Force, S&B, and US optics.

For hunting (especially at my short ranges, I could get it done with any scope. My passion however is shooting unknown distances on steel gongs at my buddies farm anywhere from 400 to 980 yards out. This is why first focal plane Scopes work for me in my particular situation.
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