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Old 07-12-2010, 11:18 AM
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Re: FFP worth extra cost?

SFP are flat out dangerous to uneducated long range shooters.
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Old 07-12-2010, 09:18 PM
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Re: FFP worth extra cost?

what's scarry to me is these posts i've just read. you guys act like you can't use a SFP for holdovers and wind corrections. that's exactly what i do.use the reticle.i'm gonna have to let some of the best long range hunters know they use the wrong focal plane. how long does it take to put the scope on the highest power? i use the center out to 350-400 yards. if the shot is farther than that, i'm taking a few seconds to set up, or are we snap shooting at 500 and above? how do you shoot at small targets at 1000 with that FFP. i remember shooting at crows and we couldn't even use the gun that had that big ole Swaro on it. YOU COULDN'T SEE THE CROW cause the reticle covered it up!
I agree that it's a no-brainer. most "educated " long range hunters use a SFP scope.
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Old 07-12-2010, 10:21 PM
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what's scarry to me is these posts i've just read. you guys act like you can't use a SFP for holdovers and wind corrections. that's exactly what i do.use the reticle.i'm gonna have to let some of the best long range hunters know they use the wrong focal plane. how long does it take to put the scope on the highest power? i use the center out to 350-400 yards. if the shot is farther than that, i'm taking a few seconds to set up, or are we snap shooting at 500 and above? how do you shoot at small targets at 1000 with that FFP. i remember shooting at crows and we couldn't even use the gun that had that big ole Swaro on it. YOU COULDN'T SEE THE CROW cause the reticle covered it up!
I agree that it's a no-brainer. most "educated " long range hunters use a SFP scope.

I agree with ya except for the last sentence. I can see the crows very well out my horus vision raptor scope at all ranges. As a matter of fact nearly all of my practice shots are at ~3" rocks on sandy banks up to 1340 yards(far as the leica crf 1200 will go).

I have heard of some ffp scope with real thick reticle, from what you just said how in the hack can I hit even a soda can with those???? By all means stay from those thick reticle scopes.

For the most part I hear ya.
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Old 07-13-2010, 12:27 AM
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Re: FFP worth extra cost?

I have to say that I very much like my reticles in the FFP.

I can range on any power.

I can hold for elevation/wind/movers, on any power, and the hold directly relates to a mil value, which holds true at any power.

I can spot for my partner, and speak in accurate "mil" language which he can use to make an immediate and accurate adjustment, on any power.

When I switched to FFP, I don't even look at my power ring anymore. I simply dial it to wherever it is best while I'm making the shot.

That kind of freedom and versatility is definitely worth it in my book... and the costs are coming down quite a lot.

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Old 07-13-2010, 08:36 AM
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Re: FFP worth extra cost?

Dave,

OK if I argue a bit?

I've only had and still have 1 FFP scope. An old model Weaver Tactical.

The optics turn out to be very good. Its biggest problems are the Mil Dot reticle and 1/8" clicks and calibration @ 10X. The 4.5-14 power range is excellent! Its mounted on a 338 RUM.

I'm anal enough that "where Exactly where is 10X?" If the cal was at full power it would be a different thing.

From experience in the woods dry firing on deer out to 1000 yrds (it was elk season). Taking the imaginary head shot was no problem. Ravens looked like a good possibility also.

I feel I could make a 1K shot on 4.5 power on anything from a crow size bird to an elk IF the reticle would get me that far.

I have no idea of where a NightForce reticle is calibrated. I own one but haven't touched it yet. I wouldn't mind if it were a FFP.

Just jawin'......
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:15 AM
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In the below picture, the target is 18" wide by 30" tall and at a distance of just over 1100yds. As you can see, it wouldn't be too difficult to center on the head which is 6"x6". So while some ffp scopes will have a "large" reticle, I have not seen many that would obscure the target. Doesn't mean I would use one for benchrest competition, but in the case of hunting/tactical shooting they do not obscure the target as some would claim. ... or maybe I just don't shoot well enough for it to be a problem. ;)

The scope here is a premier 5-25 with the gen2XR reticle.


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Old 07-13-2010, 03:38 PM
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Re: FFP worth extra cost?

i'm sure reticles, just like everything else, have been improved greatly and my limited experience with FFP is a few years old. if you can line up on 3" targets at 1300 yds, that would be something i've never seen on a FFP, and my main objective against it. conversely it always seemed that when the hair was small enough to do this, then it couldn't be seen at lower powers. i'm sure illumination/etched reticles has helped with this. i understand the advantages of FFP, but still consider the ability to range at any power a week argument.plus, as i've stated, i just hate that big thick hair when trying to shoot long range.guess they're not as thick as they used to be.the scopes with these capabilities are out of my price range. i have a PST on order. has a very nice reticle, slashes every 2 MOA. and yes, in SFP !
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