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Old 09-06-2009, 04:35 PM
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Differences:

In the Weatherby Vanguard:

30-06

  • Ready availability of ammo.
  • Less expensive ammo.
  • Wide variety of factory ammo.
  • A little less recoil.
  • Holds 5+1.

300 WSM
  • Shoots a little faster/flatter with the same weight bullet.
  • Ability to push heavier bullets at much better speeds.
  • Short action has more aftermarket stuff for it if you want to reconfigure it.
  • Can load down for lighter loads for less recoil and maintain the 30-06 velocities.
  • Holds 3+1.
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Some more questions:

-Ok, so how much more recoil are we talking here? I don't want to develop the dreaded flinch. The last time I shot a 30-06 I was probably 12 (pushing 40 now), and granted that was probably one with no sort of recoil pad and I'm not exactly 12 any more.

-Ammo is less expensive for the 30-06. How much difference are we talking? I don't reload, but that also is something I might consider at some point, but for now it will be off-the-shelf ammo that I would be buying to hunt with.

-Is a short action preferred to a long action, and if so, why?


A couple pictures for comparison that I found. Not sure if any of you use ammoguide.com or not but it was nice to be able to look at the cases and visually see the difference.







Thanks again for your input guys. Again, I'm not a novice where hunting is concerned - I've been hunting critters great and small my entire life, but it's been a few years since I've been doing any big game hunting and I never was extremely knowledgeable about bullet weights, how fast a load was with which combination of bullet and powder, etc, so I appreciate your willingness to reply.

Darby

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Old 09-06-2009, 09:13 PM
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Re: Down to choosing a caliber...

The recoild of my 300 WSM is very similar to my 7mm RM, maybe a little more. On the bench, I use a slip-on recoil pad whch greatly reduces the felt recoil. I can fire it all day with no issues. Without the slip-on recoil pad,it starts getting my attention after about 15-20 shots. In the feild, the recoil is a non-issue. The recoil of the .06 wont be as bad, but it may get to you as well with a few more shots shooting from a bench or prone position.

The only 30-06 I ever fired was an M1 Garrand so I cant really give a comparison.

I'm not you, but there's no question for me, the 300 WSM is the way to go. It's a great cartridge. And although there's more ammo selection for the .06, the WSM has a very good selection. If you handload, ammo cost and selection are about the same, although you can get Lapua brass for the .06 The Norma brass for the WSM works well for me.

The short action is not a selling point for me. If I were to do a WSM build it would be on a standard action to seat my bullets longer. Right now, to seat 210 Bergers to the lands of mt Finnlight, the bulet's bearing surfaces only catches about 2/3rds of the case neck. I dont even think I couild seat 190's to the lands and have a good seat in the neck because the throat is so long. So obviously they dont fit the mag. However I can seat one in the top of the mag where the bullt tip is above the mag wall. This gives me a 1+1 configuration which hopefully is one shot more than I need. For most LR stuff, all you need is a single shot capability. Seating depth and mag space could be an issue with the .06 as well, depending on the rifle/action/freebore.

Go with the WSM and deal with the recoil, you wont regret it.

-MR
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Old 09-06-2009, 10:58 PM
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Re: Down to choosing a caliber...

if you are not getting a sendero ; get a tikka t3 varmint. next would be a weatherby accumark or a vanguard one moa. if the first two ( sendero or t3 varmint) are too heavy then one of the last two. caliber is not as important as getting an accuarate rifle
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Old 09-06-2009, 11:11 PM
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Re: Down to choosing a caliber...

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if you are not getting a sendero ; get a tikka t3 varmint. next would be a weatherby accumark or a vanguard one moa. if the first two ( sendero or t3 varmint) are too heavy then one of the last two. caliber is not as important as getting an accuarate rifle


Great choices Sakko, then Tikka, but I think TC deserves a chance, I'm very impressed with the performance of my TC Icon, and now TC created Venture a low line in their riffles but it still shooting SUB MOA, I would put Wetherby at the end its just HOWA with Wetherby stamp on it o yeah TC is running $150 off rebates

Myself I was looking for something accurate just month ago, my choices were Tikka T3 Varmint or Tikka T3 tactical, then TC Warlord, TC ICON precision hunter, then SUB MOA Weatehrbys Vanguard, since I had bad experience with HOWA, Wetherby was not an option, TC Warlord with SUB 0.5” MOA was a bit out of my price range, so I was looking at TIKKA T3 TACTICAL and 20” barrel was not part of my choice, then TIKKA T3 Varmint and TC ICON, well I just liked the looks of TC so I got one, its factory tested to deliver 0.56” MOA, for some reason I can’t get it bellow 0.3” MOA with 1:12 twist rate shooting 168 grain SMK, I think if I switch to 155 Palma it would make to 0 .25 MOA

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Re: Down to choosing a caliber...

Savage Arms Model 12 Varminter Low Profile, This is the best long range rifle in my opinion. I have one and can hit targets at 1100yrds. We have two witnessed shots with this same rifle at that distance. It has a detachable magazine and 26" heavy barrel. This thing shoots lights out for the money and it is not a custom rifle.

Savage Centerfire Hunting Rifle 16FHSS This will shoot the same, but the stocks are a little cheesy. It will perform quite well now that it comes with the accu-stock and accu-trigger.

Savage Centerfire Hunting Rifle 16FCSAK, This rifle provides a muzzle break that you can open to bench and close to hunt with for noise control.

These would be my choices but I am bias to the Savage. I own two and love'em!

As far as cost let me do the following comparison:

Federal Premium Vital-Shok Ammunition 30-06 Springfield 180 Grain Nosler AccuBond Box of 20 $38.99
Velocity: 2700fps Energy: 2913 ft. lbs.

Federal Premium Vital-Shok Ammunition 300 Winchester Short Magnum (WSM) 180 Grain Nosler AccuBond Box of 20 $48.99
Velocity: 2960fps Energy: 3502 ft. lbs.

The thing we don't know about the velocity is what barrel length was used along with twist rate. Regardless it still shows that the 300 WSM is going to get your bullet there with higher velocity and hit with more authority.

These are Midway prices, so you will find prices very from store to store. There is obviously cheaper ammo as well, this would be my prefered off the shelf if I were to choose one. The accubond is a preferred hunting bullet for heavy game.

Recoil is subjective. I think my cousins 19lbs. .338 Lapua is just comfortable to shoot with out a muzzle break. But I do have a muzzle break on my 300WSM so that I can bench it with out fear of recoil.

My dad has one of the new Mossberg 4x4 in 30-06. I think it kicked like a mule. I have also shot a Winchester Feather weight in 243 that kicked like mad. I hated shooting that rifle. My model 7 remington in 243 shoots quite nicely. So I guess it is what you are use too. If you can still shoot a 30-06 without a recoil pad, then the 300WSM will be like butter for you.

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Re: Down to choosing a caliber...

I made the switch 10 years ago from the '06 to a 300 Win Mag. The '06 is a great round, the 300 just offered more of it. I like the fact that I am down to pretty much one bullet weight from coyotes to grizzly. I love my 300 and wouldn't trade it, good luck with your decision.
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Re: Down to choosing a caliber...

sdkidaho,

40 yr old, idaho fella with way too much time on your hands, from looking at your detailed graphic post. Bite the bullet and give it a go. I'm a 66 yr old Idaho fella and been there, done that and got no tee shirt. Except I started with a 270 WIN for all the reasons you're considering the '06. However, being an old fart I was heavily influenced by Jack O'Connor when I made that purchase.

If I were you I'd jump on the 300 WSM or Win Mag in a heart beat, though I am a bit anti belted case. I'm betting you'll get a good dose of fiddleitus and begin pushing for accuracy, then distance or maybe the other way around. You'll be able to get more of both from the 300 class for a bunch of reasons.

For most of the stuff you wish to harvest a mid class bullet will do the job (150-165gr). For bigger stuff the 180 will be sufficient and distance can be much greater.

Recoil ain't all that big of a deal. Some where along the line you'll discover the brake. Great new territory to play in.

Then the Limbsaver recoil pad, the grind to fit one leaving the rear of it as it comes from the box makes quite a difference.

The only significance you'll notice between the '06 class and 300 class is the barrier you'll reach when you get growing pains. The 270 Win served me well for 30 years then I got the LRH itch.

Plus LRH is a much more enjoyable outdoor experience. The sweat doesn't start until after the shot, then it comes all at once.

Just my 2 cents times 3 or 4
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