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Unread 06-29-2005, 10:12 AM
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Re: Do you want a exit wound???? exit hole also makes the lungs collapse, becaue the pressure required to breathe is gone.

I had a good shot on a doe at 760 last year, and she took about 1hr to die because the bullet angled back and exited JUST after perfing the diaphragm.

so in here effort to breath, and/or suction from the bullet passing thru, her intestines (unharmed) got lodged in the exit wound and kept her breathing!

they were so tight in the exit hole, I COULD NOT PULL THEM BACK THRU! had to cut and pull from both sides!

had the exit wound stayed open she would have died much sooner [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Unread 06-29-2005, 10:13 AM
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Re: Do you want a exit wound????

Lerch, i want an exit wound 100% of the time if i can get one.

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Unread 06-29-2005, 10:45 AM
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Re: Do you want a exit wound????

I've been killing animals around and past the 1/2 mile mark for many seasons and I can honestly tell you that <font color="red"> I DON'T CARE IF THE BULLET STAYS IN OR EXITS AS LONG AS THAT SHOULDER BLADE IS BROKEN! </font> That being said, with most shoulder fired guns and hunting bullets, you will usually find the bullet breaking both shoulder blades and getting stuck under the skin on the far side, or just breaking one blade and being in the meat tissue on the far side. EIther way, the animal is dead and <font color="blue"> THERE WILL BE NO TRACKING REQUIRED!! </font>

We often times get too caught up in this debate of <font color="green"> geography (in or out)</font> of the bullet when we should really be looking at the <font color="red">biology </font> of the animal. If you break the shoulder or the spine/shoulder junction, the animal will ALWAYS go down like a ton of bricks and stay that way! All quadrapeds on earth must use their front shoulders as their principle means of shifting their weight. If that joint does not work, there is no locomotion, period. It is like a car. You can disconnect the radiator hose, the brake lines, and the gas line but the car can still go a distance before seizing up. But if you break the front axle or the driveline, it isn't going one inch!

Bottom line: pick the right bullet for the distance and put it where it counts most! Shooting an animal with pre-detemined plans of having a blood trail to track sounds like bow-hunting, not rifle hunting.
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Unread 06-29-2005, 10:48 AM
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Re: Do you want a exit wound????

you should have polled this one [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].yes,after it transfered most of the shock inside."knockdown power" in my words come from aneurysm,better stated on the systolic (pushing) beat of the heart.try to time your shot to impact at that time [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] on the diastolic (relaxing) side less pressure,less shock.and bleed out on the trail.
or gg posted together"smash the shoulder blades" noggin' or my favorite "high in the neck" its cleaner that way. "accuracy"
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Unread 06-29-2005, 11:55 AM
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Re: Do you want a exit wound????

Sorry to rain on your parade folks but do you really think you magic bullet really opened up "to the size of a softball"? Look at the facts, Most bullets are .308 or smaller when they leave the barrel. Almost all have ridges left on them from the rifling of the barrel. Upon impact, at anything longer than OH MY GOD close will penetrate (deer) about 2-4 inches before expanding. Remember those ridges, well they are cutting little pieces of flesh bone ect from the animal and throwing them perpendicular to the would chanel (read blood shot). While expanding all the way to at most 2X the Dia, the bullet sheads some (demending on the design) of the lead and throws it from the wound chanel. (I am wrong here but I think most bullets are spinning around 100,000 RPM's). If you are leaving a softball hole then your bullet penetrated TOO FAR. It is causing the most colateral damage during this time and you wasted the bullet on meat instead of vitals. The best shots I have witnessed or made was a 222 to the chest right behind the leg. Entrance would bullet size. Exit wound rib far side less than 2X bullet size. Heart, lungs, and liver looked like red apple sauce. This bullet performed flawlessley. While Doing some calling one morning durring deer season (I really did not want to kill a deer) a Wide 8 walked up to the fence 200yds away and jumped in the field I was at. As I had a 223 with varmit bullets I figured I had 2 choices, one he got a pass (**** NO), two I had to take his head off right at the base of the skull. As he turned to look away from me the bullet struck the back of his neck 2 inches below his skull. There was a CRACK report that came back to be. The bullet exploded on impact and went all of 3 inches in but his spine was missing for 3 inches and he was dead. It all comes down to 1 what you have at the time, 2 what kind of shot you are offered, and 3 knowing what you need. Someone chasing bear in the woods needs to knock em down, Me in West Texas can walk across the field and follow a 300 yd blood trail and see the deer on the other side. I was just drawn for an Elk tag in CO and will be taking Partitions for my 300 RUM. The Swifts shoot better but they dont offer me the penetration I desire for my first elk. If I have a TX heart shot and thats as good as its going to get then I know the Bullet can do its job IF I put it in the right place. the swift would not reach the vitals. I actually prefer SMALL exit wounds overall.
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Unread 06-29-2005, 12:00 PM
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Re: Do you want a exit wound????

Put an Accubond thru the shoulders then break out the knife.
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Unread 06-29-2005, 12:50 PM
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Re: Do you want a exit wound????

I guess I may have worded some of my statment wrong in the beginning because goodgrouper hit the nail right on the head. While i still pose my question just so I can see what everyone here prefers, this is exactly what I look for in a shot. A high shoulder shot that stikes bone upon enetering transfers much of its kinetic enrgy into the core of the animal hopefully shocking into a somewhat paralyzed state. This is what we see in the BEst of the West video's where it looks like the elk got hit by a truck he falls down so hard. What I was getting at by talking about a bullet not exiting was a bullet that was striking in the vital area. I nmy own shooting experince I have shot two deer with heavy bonded bullets thinking that these high preformance bullets would just slaughter the animal, only to have the hardest blood trailing experinces of my life. After that I have shot most of my deer with light jacketed ballistic tips and sof points and the majority of these deer have dropped on contact. My point about a bullet stopping inside an animal is this and I will pose it as a question. A bullet traveling at a fairly fast rate of speed hits a animal and penetrates to roughly the middle of the animal and then stops after flattening out a decent amount, wouldn't this bullet then transfer all of its forward momentum into the animal creating a tremendous concussive force?? And if this is true and the bullet was representative of the animal it was shot into, not a 22 cal into a moose, then wouldn't the shock the bullet causes most likely cause the animal to collapse from the impact??? I am not trying to piss anyone off this is just something that made sense in my mind, which might be a scary thing.

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