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difference in 7 MMs ?????

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Unread 06-06-2009, 12:16 AM
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Re: difference in 7 MMs ?????

Originally Posted by phorwath View Post
...Long Time Long Ranger: Just a note to say I appreciate your posts, particularly the ones I've read covering your collection of 338 caliber rifles in some of the other threads.
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Unread 06-06-2009, 10:38 AM
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Re: difference in 7 MMs ?????

I have a 300 win mag that I have a lot of time and money invested in that shoots real well.
I purchased a Savage model 16 in 7 WSM a few months ago. I put a good scope on it and a new trigger as I don't like the accutrigger, worked up some loads with H4831sc under a Berger 168. It is amazing.
Half inch groups are common at 200 yards, my best is .384.
I have shot rocks out to 700 yards with 1 shot kills almost easy.
I am excited for deer season to start so I can see how it performs but for a factory rifle it is incredible. No muzzle brake required.
Maybe I just got an accurate one but I would definitly recommend the Savage model 16.
Spend the money you would have used for the custom rifle on reloading components and shoot A LOT.
The action and magazine length on the Savage is longer than the Remington and allows you to seat the bullets touching the lands.
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Unread 06-06-2009, 12:28 PM
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Re: difference in 7 MMs ?????

The action and magazine length on the Savage is longer than the Remington and allows you to seat the bullets touching the lands.
Have you measured the max OAL that fits in the savage magzine? I am curious what the length is as I have been told the savage short action is more like a medium length action.
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Unread 06-06-2009, 12:42 PM
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Re: difference in 7 MMs ?????

IMHO Keep it simple (KISS). You say this will be an occassional usage rifle. A 7mm rem Mag in a Rem Sendero or 700P will work fine, and if you shop around save your wallet. work up a load with 168 VLD's or buy them loaded from BOTW, get some talley mounts, good glass ( NF, HO, ect.) and get to the range. Your going to want to burn 3-400 rounds at targets before your ready for that 800 yard ELK shot. I think you said your out East right. Find those chubby groundhogs in a place you can get some distance away and practice on them. You tag those at 6-800 yards and a 10 inch vital on an Elk will be a walk in the park.

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Unread 06-06-2009, 01:30 PM
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Re: difference in 7 MMs ?????

Originally Posted by AJ Peacock View Post
I have a little experience with the STW and a ton of experience with the 7mm Rem Mag. If you've never hunted out west before, I'd recommend the 7mm Rem Mag. It is a phenomenal cartridge and is easily capable of 800yds on Mule deer (my personal 7mm Rem Mag shot on a Muley is slightly longer than that).

I've not played with the 7mm WSM, but for all but the heaviest bullets, it is nearly the equal of the Rem Mag. I've played with the 300WSM and it is a phenomenally efficient and easy to shoot round. If the 7WSM is it's equal, it would likely be as good of choice as the Rem Mag.

The Rem requires a long action and the WSM can be built in a short action configuration. Most WSM's hold one fewer round in the magazine than the 7mm Rem mags.

All in all, every cartridge you mentioned would meet your requirements. If you could find an older (1960's) Rem Model 700 BDL in 7mm Rem Mag, you'd not only have a great rifle/cartridge, but you'd have one of the classic western rifles ever made.

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Unread 06-06-2009, 11:41 PM
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Re: difference in 7 MMs ?????

7mm's are a great caliber,..quite a few different cases to shoot .284" bullets out of.

I have a 7-08AI, a 280, had a 280AI(might build another), have a 7mm Rem Mag and two 7 STW's.

In a factory rifle I would recommend buying a new Rem 700 SPS stainless in 7mm Rem Mag, order a Bell & Carlson Medalist stock with the aluminium bedding block. Tune the trigger to 3# max, some will go 2-1/2#...
It'll weigh 8-1/2 lbs with the B&C stock and a 3.5-10X Leupold in Talley Lightweight rings. It'll shoot well under an inch and at least 3000 fps, maybe 3050-3100 out of the 26" barrel with 160 Accubonds once you tune a load for it.....and it'll kill game as far away as most guys can, or should shoot at game. You'll have about $1200-$1300 in it and it'll last you a lifetime, or until you get bored with it.

I set up a friend with the rig described above last fall........he loves it, and it made me wonder why I mess around with custom rifles that cost more than double his cash outlay.......before you put glass on it.....
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Unread 06-07-2009, 12:47 PM
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Re: difference in 7 MMs ?????

I just stated why I did not have a 7mm rem mag in my arsenal. It is a very popular cartridge and a good cartridge for a standard commonly available cartridge. Having built wildcat cartridges since the 70's I found in my opinion some better options that made the 7mm rem mag not fit into my arsenal. I have two pet 7mm JRS rifles which are all you can get out of a blown out 280 case. They shoot the 140 grain bullets almost 3300 fps and the 160 grain bullets almost 3100 fps with a 26" barrel. These are my accuraccy loads. They use less powder with less noise and recoil and cheaper brass than the 7mm rem mag and no belt which some like. You 7mm rem mag shooters can compare your velocities and see how far off the JRS is from you but I know it falls right in there.

For my magnum 7mm I use the 7mm-300 wby and the 7mm STW which steps up quite a bit over the 7mm rem mag. Here is the data on my pet 7mm-300 wby I built in 1977 on a 28" Hart barrel and it still shoots very well. My accuracy loads with 7828 push 140 grain bullets 3680 fps and the 162 Amax at 3460 fps.

From all my data I have developed through the years you can see how the 7mm rem mag just got shuffled out of my arsenal since I could virtually duplicate it with the smaller JRS and far exceed it with the 7mm-300 wby. I don't mean to hurt anyones feelings on here. I just was stating why I didn't have a 7mm rem mag.
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