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Old 11-26-2002, 11:38 PM
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Darryl,
I was REALLY hoping you were gonna say that (that you're secret hunting locale is on public land)!!! You have no idea how much this news revs me up and reassures me that a man of modest means such as myself can acutally hope to get in there (Colorado) and find and take a bull elk without having to shell out thousands of dollars for a trophy fee. You see, almost the entire population of hunters from my neck of the woods believe one can't legally hunt anything without having to pay HUGE money for it. Consequently, the overwhelming majority of successful Texas hunters fall into the following 4 categories: (a) corporate executives whose employers lease extremely expensive game ranches or pay for extremely costly 'day hunts', (b) people who ride into the aforementioned type of situation on the coat tails of their relatives (the means by which I have killed most of the trophy animals on my walls), (c) men of modest means who are willing to go into debt and/or make absurb financial sacrifices in order to go and get their trophy whitetail, elk, pronghorn, or moose each year, and finally, (d) poachers (recently discovered to actually be the most successful of the four categories, being credited with the best/highest B&C averages for whitetail deer in the State of Texas). Incidentally, prices for the big bucks from out of the largest and most intensely managed game ranches down here reportedly run as high as $35,000 (just one animal, mind you)!!!

My wife and I found a couple of promising looking areas after a trip to a family members place in Silverthorne last spring, but one is always nervous about asking alot of questions in Colorado in an effort to lay the groundwork for such a campaign when one is from Texas as they just don't care much for Texans up there. But gimme a couple of years and I'm gonna do this thing!

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D.H.
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Old 11-27-2002, 07:44 AM
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DH

I believe the feud between the Texans and Colorado folk, goes back to the cattle days in the old west and has progressed from there.

To me,hunting is getting out the topo and local maps, looking for a place to hunt that is on public lands and then trying to be successful.
It is much more rewarding to me to do it this way, not to mention the cost factor.

I will not pay a tresspass fee, or guide service when you don't have too.
I feel it is more "you" when you are doing the hunt and being successful on your own.
Some States require you to have a guide, but Colorado is not one of them.

My wife and I camp the whole season and NEVER come back to civilization till the last day of the hunt has ended. We stay in motels on the way out and back and spend a day or two in town after the hunt has ended. We have made many friends there and visit with them either out in the moutain or in their homes.

The cost is a hunting license, food, fuel to get to Colorado and back home and any extras we bring with us or buy out there. Cost is VERY low for a hunt of this type and especially when you can kill elk or deer at the SAME time.

Before the license price increase on elk two years ago, and when I went with a good hunting buddy of mine (before my wife came along with me), we made that entire trip for 12 days of hunting for about $850.00 each.
Let me add something here, he and I stayed in motels at the time also. That was $850.00 for EVERYTHING. Food, license, motel and fuel to and from Colorado which we split.

So you see, it's very possible to get a good deal while elk and deer hunting in Colorado if you don't have to pay guide fees and pay to hunt on private land.


Good maps are of great value to anyone, but be careful and read them well. They don't take kindly to tresspassers, "especially" from Texas. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
That was the first thing I heard when I started hunting there over 13 yrs ago.

Take care and good hunting to you.
DC
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Old 11-27-2002, 08:28 AM
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Brent,

I have been know to "guide" guys hunting that necessarily can't pay an outfitter. Ther are lotsa ways to swap stuff.. don't give up hope. I realize after growing up in PA that hunting the west is a dream of most hunters. I chased my dream and got lucky. I try to "help" any who want to hunt the west whenever I can. As long as I have enough hunters to guide through the outfitter and I can pay the bills. I usually hunt "freinds" and others that have inquired. I figured what good is this place if I can't share it...

It may happen for you someday...
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Old 11-27-2002, 09:36 AM
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Re: D.C.\'s spot

I'll make it down that way someday, hopefully sooner than later. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

Swapping sounds like a good idea. I need to get set up to do something like that up here too. Lots of nice areas up here, I hoped to have my own plane sometime soon, the job loss put a damper on this too, for now anyway.
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Old 11-27-2002, 09:44 AM
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I may get in trouble for revealing this little secret about Colorado, but here goes.

Colorado has two types of licences; ones you draw for and ones you buy over the counter. While one can certainly do well if you buy an over the counter license, there are definite advantages to a license you draw.
An over the counter license will put you into an area with every other hunter who bought the same tag. Usually you will end up competing against other hunters more than against the game. The best way to make it a good hunt is to get away from everyone by going farther in - something most folks cant do without horses unless you are in great shape and willing to rough it.
Licenses you draw will usually put you into an area that has a limited number of hunters or tags. This gives you a higher quality hunt, is safer in my opinion, and usually gives you a chance at a better animal.
Drawings for licenses are typically done on a straight preference point system. If you are unsuccessful in applying for a tag, you get a preference point and you are that much farther ahead when you apply the next year. A person with 2 preference points appying for a tag will get it before someone with 1 preference point.
What this means is that if you EVER intend to hunt Colorado, you would be well advised to start working on preference points. You can only get one per species per year, so time can work for or against you. Bookmark http://wildlife.state.co.us and you can request applications around February / March. There is an option to apply for a preference point on most animals. The only down side is that it costs 3 dollars (non-refundable) to apply and you have to float the cost of the license until they refund your money.
You can still buy an over the counter tag if you do not draw a license.
Every preference point you accumulate will open up more possibilities for a nice hunt. The only areas non-residents cannot apply for are the Ranching for Wildlife areas.

Darryl's comments are right on about hunting Colorado. There is a lot of public land and there are a lot of animals. I have not killed an elk, deer or antelope on private land since I filled a doe tag on my parents place 15 years ago.
Look at the big game applications and see what areas have over the counter tags (most of the western part of the state). Get one of the new Gazeteer (sp?) maps of the state that show all of the public land and is color coded for BLM and National Forest. Head out, get your tag and hunt.
This information is free, but please leave your ATV at home!

Houston Boy,
Certain parts of Colorado used to be part of Texas. It used to be that most of Texas would come up to Colorado in an attempt to reacquire it. Those folks who came up and acted like they owned the place caused a little bit of animosity. Since then, the Kalifornians have snuck in through the back door (as they are prone to do) and are trying to convert most of Colorado into something like Orange County. Texans have been deemed much less harmful than Californians and are therefore tolerated... and welcome. The general consensus is come on up, hunt, fish and go home.
Personally I would trade all those who threaten the Colorado lifestyle for all the sportsmen who come to Colorado and appreciate it for what it is.

Let me know if you have any questions. Will be away visiting relatives and hunting Ducks, Geese, Pheasants, Coyotes for the long weekend. Will try to get in on a desert sheep hunt too if the guy has not filled yet.
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Old 11-27-2002, 10:17 AM
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Re: D.C.\'s spot

Ric

Being a guide and paying the bills is all part of living your dream there in Wyoming.

I to have "helped" my LR friends as to where to hunt in Colorado and have taken them along with me. I guess you could say I was a guide, but without the pay.

I was making light of the fine hunting in Colorado and the fantastic land and mountain scenery. I know Texas is a big State, but if you flatten out Colorado, I do believe it would be one, if not the biggest State, in the USA. Excluding Alaska of course.

QH gives some excellent advice as to hunting in Colorado, but for some of us who use the dirt roads to get back in, a 4 wheeler is needed when you don't have horses like he does. The 4 wheelers can be taken back in very far on dirt roads and then it's foot travel from there, unless you have horses.

Most of the residents in the area I hunt, use the 4 wheelers and horses too. They own "BOTH" and use each for a different purpose.

I took my 4 wheeler this year and never used it. You can rent horses for the week for $250.00 to $300.00 each, in our area.

I think there is room for both as long as the 4 wheeler riders don't abuse the road restrictions they are to stay on.

Take care and good hunting.
DC
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Old 11-27-2002, 11:03 AM
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Re: D.C.\'s spot

I don't want to digress this into a 4-wheeler discussion, but like any tool they need to be used responsibly.
Use them only on roads. Take them the same places you would take a Jeep.
Never make new roads and trails.
Just because somebody else went there first does not make it ok. These ATV's will go anywhere if the driver is committed to getting them there. Plan on hunting on foot no matter what. Hunt uphill if you are concerned about getting them out.

While I have taken a lot of folks out and "guided" them, I have never charged anything except the price of groceries (about $10 / day). I especially like to get out on sheep hunts and since I may be lucky enough to draw a tag twice in a lifetime I take others.
Since I do have to work for a living, and get a limited amount of vacation time, I cannot spend all of my time in the woods. If anyone wants to hunt Colorado, I will be happy to help provide information to them. I will not give out my secret honey holes, but I could tell you where to go for critters in general.
Don't worry Darryl, I wont tell anyone where you go. There is a lot of country just like it though.
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