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Old 06-20-2005, 03:53 PM
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Re: Chuckin witht he 270 Allen Mag....

Great story and pics. Sounds like a good time. I can't wait to get the .270AM. Thanks for posting it.
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Old 06-20-2005, 10:46 PM
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Re: Chuckin witht he 270 Allen Mag....

Congrats Kirby. Very nicely done.
A couple questions and comments if you don't mind.

Is that a Montana chuck, and if so, would you say it is an average colored chuck for Montana?

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scanned the slides for about 10 minutes and found another chuck hunkered up on a large flat rock. The area the chuck was in was not offering an accurate range measurement but knowing the area very well and having a spot in front of the chuck(1088 yards) and behind the chuck(1129 yards) that I could get readings on I figured him to be in the 1114 to 1115 range give or take a yard or so.


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When you start getting annoyed with no bounce backs at xtreme range with lasers, then it is time to whip out the Barr and Stroud or Wild optic rangefinders! I say this because I know you're trying for the 1500 yard club, and I know from experience that to get it done, you will need an optic rangefinder for your task.



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Just not enough frontal area and energy to open the small caliber bullets up to inflict severe tissue damage, at least not with the 107 gr SMK.


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I actually just got back from a chuck hunt myself where I dumped a pup at 1115 yards with my 22-250 AI fast twist. The wind was blowing a tad over 25 MPH which really wasn't kind to my 80 grain Nosler bullet, but it still managed to kill the chuck just fine. I have also flipped chucks off their rocks with the same rifle using 75 amax bullets at just about every distance from 1000 to 1100 yards. They work fine on chucks up to about 10 lbs. I have seen my uncle take chucks everywhere from 1000 yards to over 1500 yards with his 6-284 and it has alway performed well except for the chuck he shot at 1515 yards. It truly had run out of energy at that extreme range.
I don't shoot 107 sierras with my 6 BRT, but I have killed two chucks now over 1000 yards with the 95 berger vld's and they killed great! And they were only leaving the muzzle at 3050 fps. In my experience, the smaller bullets get bad wraps sometimes when in reality they can excel. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
Anyways, great shooting!
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Old 06-20-2005, 11:40 PM
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Re: Chuckin witht he 270 Allen Mag....

Goodgrouper,

Yes for a mature chuck here in Montana this is the normal color patten. They are very darl on their back, with a yellow muzzle and sometimes their entire face is yellow or even nearly white on the older chucks. Their bellies are very bright yellow.

In this case, the belly on this chuck was GONE so I decided to keep the photo tastefull and limit the blood for the camera.

As far as rangefinders go, I have looked at the optical rangefinders often. I have also been looking into investing in something like the Leica Vector with their 6000 meter range capabilites. Even if it only got 50% of its listed ranging ability it would be all I would ever need, I think!!

Onto the smaller caliber rounds at 1000 yards and out. I am not saying they do not work and work very well at times. I have used my fast twist 6mm-284 with the 107 gr Sierra MK loaded to 3500 fps for many years with good results.

In fact from 500 to 800 yards it is flat out deadly with any solid hit on a chuck of any size. I have also taken many chucks in the 900 to 1055 yard range with this rifle which was my previous personal best one shot kill which has since been topped twice in the first two outings this season with the sporter 270 AM.

I have also made hits on chucks at ranges from 1000 to a bit under 1300 yards with the big 6mm only to find a blood trail back to the den. Often covering 10 to 20 yards to get to the den.

With an impact to the chests or head it is instant lights out but on soft body hits I have not had great luck. Again note I am using the 107 gr SMK which does have a pretty stout jacket for chucks at these ranges.

The J-4 jacketed bullets are much lighter and expand much quicker then SMKs so they do result in much more instant stops on smaller game like chucks.

The A-Max may be the best of all of them for on game performance with its tipped design to initate expansion. Unfortunately, my 1-8, 3 groove Lilja eats these and the Bergers up at anything over 3250 fps and at that velocity I may as well be shooting a 243 AI in the 30" barrel.

Maybe the chucks up here in Montana are just tough little monsters. I once witnessed a chuck take four hits from a 7x57 Mauser at 250 to 300 yards loaded with the 120 gr Ballistic Tip!!! If I had not been watching it though the spotting scope I would not have believed it. The only reason it did not get away was because hit numebr 4 was in the mellon.

I hear about these chucks that get flipped several feet from hits at 1000 yards and beyond. I have never seen this. The only chuck I have really thrown hard at long ranges was with my 50 BMG.

It may be an expansion rate issue as the big 169.5 gr ULDs simply fold the chucks up on the spot. They were center body hits though and not chest and head hits. Still I have yet to pick up a chuck and really throw one at extreme range.

Maybe we just have FAT chucks up here in MT?? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Thats fine with me, bigger targets so its easier for me to hit them [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]!

Good Shooting!!

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Old 06-20-2005, 11:49 PM
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Re: Chuckin witht he 270 Allen Mag....

10-4 Kirby.

I have hunted chucks in Idaho, Utah, and Wyoming and have seen a wide variety of coloration-especially in Idaho. Your Montana chuck is the usual coloration for the species. I have heard from others that Montana chucks sometimes exhibit a somewhat lighter gray color like a few I've shot in Idaho. Have you seen these light gray kind up there?
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Old 06-21-2005, 08:48 AM
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Re: Chuckin witht he 270 Allen Mag....

Kirby -- dont worry about the vectors working -- pinged grey rocks at a mile no problem, handheld.

it will range as far as you can shoot [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

just sell your car so you can buy one [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Old 06-21-2005, 09:23 AM
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Re: Chuckin witht he 270 Allen Mag....

Goodgrouper,

Personally I have not seen any light grey colored chucks. They all have looked like this in general. The younger chucks are lighter color but because of the relatively low numbers we try to only target mature chucks.

We used to have alot of chucks in this area but about 10 years ago a bunch of guys thought it was a good time to shoot chucks with their 22-250s and 243at ranges of under 100 yards.

They would hike the lava rock rims and shoot them as they traveled. Using this method in this area, it was easy to get 30 chucks in an afternoon as the terrain really allowed easy approach to chucks.

I will admit we did this at first two but then quickly realized that at this rate the population would not last for long so we quite this type of hunting and stepped back to at least 500 yards away when we started long range chuckin.

Unfortunatly many others did not and after several years it was hard to find any chucks. As such the interest fell off from many of the locals and we are starting to see a slight rebound in numbers but nothing like what it used to be.

Now we try to stay at least a 1/2 mile away for chuckin and limit targets to the mature chucks. Hopefully here in another 5 years we will start getting back to the good days of chuckin!!

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Old 06-21-2005, 09:25 AM
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Re: Chuckin witht he 270 Allen Mag....

JB,

Yes they certainly have sticker shock value on those price tags. Still would be nice to never have any problems with a portable range finder.

Not sure if it would be quite that nice though!!

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