I'm pretty sure if they have shot them its been at paper and steel only. To really prove a bullet and know how it works on game you need to kill a lot of animals in a lot of different situations and conditions. So you can keep your ocean front property. They are definitely getting the cart before the horse. The original AB has been proven but nobody has truly proven the LR version yet as far as performance on game. ...some people buy koolaid based on who is making it NOT what it tastes like...
Fair enough, and time will tell. Im sure people were saying the same thing about bergers at first too. Actually if I remember correctly berger was saying that about their own bullet, but it was the longrange shooters/hunters that ignored what berger was saying and proved that the bullet worked great as a hunting bullet. I have used the accu-bond for several years before switching to Berger, and im pretty sure from my own experience that the new bullet will do what they say it will, I am a little skeptical on the velocity range of it tho, I mean they advertise down to 1300 fps and it will still expand as designed. If thats true well that does raise the bar quite high. Only time and real world testing and proving will tell for sure. I do know im looking forward to getting my hands on some and trying them out!
I'm going to step out on a limb here, and probably on some toes as well. I've been shooting long range for over 10 years and have gone through 6 different rifles, used all different kinds of bullets, brass, powder, etc. I use what I use for the reasons I use them. I am still learning, just as all of us who take this sport seriously can attest to.
I am not going to praise or blame manufacturers for doing what they do, sell products. I think the point may be that the TV shows are doing the same thing, sell themselves; but, I think the current gun crazy crowd has become the focus group and left us old salts thinking "WTF?". All these TV shows try to tell you if you watch every week and visit their sponsors, you will be able clear rooms like a SEAL, take out 3 armed men in a dark alley with a pocket knife, and drop an elk or grizzly bear at 1000 yards with a single shot every time. And too many people believe it's that simple. No practice, no preperation, just do exactly as they say and TADA... SUCCESS. If this philosophy were true, after 30 minutes of the Military channel, I could launch cruise missiles. Hell, watching porn will not make you a porn star.
Am I the only one who has no clue WTF BOTW stands for, or what yall are talking about?
LMAO probably BOTW = Best of the West
One thing that keeps popping up in my mind, has anyone ever checked to see how far down range 1300fps occurs with a given bullet in their rifle? I'm thinking it's pretty much moot as exceptional few can read conditions well enough to get to the range where your bullet slows to 1300fps, only the very best can do it where their bullet reaches 1800fps with a high degree of 1st shot hit capability on a 10" gong.
In my mind when you consider cost, lesser degree of bullet to bullet consistency Berger is still light years ahead of Nosler in the long range game. Not meant as knock on Nosler I still use em religiously in a select few of my rifles.
Keep in mind the animals we shoot for food and display are not bullet proof. Contrary to popular belief, they bleed and die just like they did a hundred years ago. Being competent with a given rifle is far more important than impressive ballistics and poor shootability. High velocity misses never put a steak in the freezer.
I use Noslers and Bergers, and have been using Nosler Accubonds for years now. IMO, the Accubonds are hard to beat for close-range hunting (within 300 yards), from my experiences.
I recently discovered the Berger VLD's, and am VERY impressed with their consistancy and grouping. I wish there was a way to test the impact and wound cavities in some ballistics gel @ say, 100 yards, out of the same caliber, same rifle, same load, just different bullets to get a true expansion difference to prove once and for-all which one is better. B/c I am really curious as to which one is the better hunting bullet. I've first-hand used the Accubonds to take game, but have not had the chance yet, with the Berger VLD's.
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