Not sure what your referring to not being able to replace the new Rem 700 triggers with aftermarket triggers. Maybe I missed the actual model of the Rem rifle but I just had a customer come in yesterday and he had two brand new CDLs with the new Rem trigger.
We were just going to tune the trigger but they(REM) do something that causes the adjustment screws to seize up in the trigger housings and they can not be adjusted. I have seen this with around 70% of these new triggers.
Anyway, 20 minuted later, both rifles had a new jewell in place of the factory triggers and they dropped in with no mods needed other then to open the stock trigger inletting a bit for free safety travel.
Anyway, I think I am misunderstanding your comments about then old style. Maybe your referring to swopping out only the safety lever from the old to the new, that I would agree with and the only thing I can think of that you are referring to.
I am pretty tired though, easy for me to misread something!!! LOL
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Kirby Allen(50)
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The factory Rem triggers, old or new have a bad habit sometimes of the trigger sticking inthe pulled position at times. The newer rifles also have a bad rep for being a bit rounded on the sear surface which when combined with the first situation I mentioned will result in what happened to you.
If the trigger does not rebound totally and the sear to trigger contct is not square and also a positive angle, the system can slip off.
A trigger system HAS to be at least slightly positive in sear angle.
I would say, spend the money and get a jewell. They are not cheap but they are the best.
I have had some issues with quality control with the recent Rifles Basix triggers I got in. Of the 12 I ordered, 10 would slip off during my impact testing. NO GOOD!!! The problem was a negative sear angle on each one. I could fix this by remilling these contact surfaces but when you spend the green for an aftermarket trigger you should not have to do a trigger job on it.
I called RB about this, their comment was these were match grade triggers that should only be used with slow bolt working motion and that all triggers of this design will slip off if jarred hard enough.
I told them to have a good day and that they just lost my 100 trigger orders a year sales. As I can not live with that. Since then I have only recommended the Jewell triggers.
As far as factory Rem 700 triggers, old and new. I have yet to see many be able to be adjusted to or below 2 lbs and stay 100% safe and reliable. In fact most get inconsistant much below 2.5 lbs. As such, if one of my customers wants a trigger pull under 2.5 lbs, its an aftermarket trigger.
if your trigger is adjusted under this pull weight, I would be very weary of it, for obvious reasons.....
Fortunately the only thing that was damaged was the hillside!!!!
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I just replaced a RB EVR-3 in my Rem700 BDL with a Jewell. Came set at 1 lb with no creep. Perfect. RB safety wouldn't work well. Detent (ball bearing) ball would gall Al housing to the point that I couldn't work the safety reliably unless the bolt was up. Just goobered up the Al housing terribly. Talked to RB and while on the phone, he directed me to stone polish the surface of a part of the trigger--don't know what the name of it was--with the intent, at least from my perspective that this would help or allevite the safety problem. He is very adament (understatement) that safeties shouldn't used, but I kinda think they should work on a $130 tirgger. He said to send it to him and I said after elk season. Sent it back to RB after elk season. They said it worked fine in their test 700. What?!! OK, I'm done. Fortunately, Midway generously took it back and sent me the Jewell. A bit of inletting, a very small bit of lube to get the bolt release to work reliably and that's it. I've put in Timney, RB and now Jewell's in this thing and the Jewell was the easiest. The exterior safety mech. on the Jewell appears to have less to go wrong than with all the parts that can potentially fly apart when using the stock safety mech. Also the fact that the Jewell is 100% stainless just makes one less thing to worry about in your rifle. Just spend the money for the Jewell is the lesson this shooter learned... Good luck.
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Sounds like a little bit of operator error. Perhaps your finger was too close to the trigger when you released the safty, All kinds of things could be possible, first take an honest look at the big nut behind the trigger.
Not sure what your referring to not being able to replace the new Rem 700 triggers with aftermarket triggers. Maybe I missed the actual model of the Rem rifle but I just had a customer come in yesterday and he had two brand new CDLs with the new Rem trigger.
We were just going to tune the trigger but they(REM) do something that causes the adjustment screws to seize up in the trigger housings and they can not be adjusted. I have seen this with around 70% of these new triggers.
Anyway, 20 minuted later, both rifles had a new jewell in place of the factory triggers and they dropped in with no mods needed other then to open the stock trigger inletting a bit for free safety travel.
Anyway, I think I am misunderstanding your comments about then old style. Maybe your referring to swopping out only the safety lever from the old to the new, that I would agree with and the only thing I can think of that you are referring to.
I am pretty tired though, easy for me to misread something!!! LOL
Later,
Kirby Allen(50)
No. You read what I said just fine. I was talking about the new triggers from Remington. I read the tech report from Sinclair when these new triggers came out and they were selling the replacement trigger from RB. They said it was the only trigger that would fit the new Rem because the safety lever was a different shape and length. But if you got a Jewell to work, then that is great news!
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Mike: NO operator error on my part. Took the rifle out yesterday and had a repeat of Saturday. Push the safety forward BOOM! REAL SAFE!!!
FIFTY: Conditions were 10 degrees windy no dirt. Gun looks and functions as if new. Thanks for the input on the jewell. So your saying it will retrofit into the rifle w/ out probs? I haven't seen the problem w/ screws you were talking about. I have 2 of the new triggers and they were easy to adjust. However it seems that out of all the new triggers I have adjusted they don't all feel the same so they are not consistent. The one on my sendero is real smooth. The one on my sps varmint is a little rough and the one on a 300 rum has a little creep. I think they may have a problem w/ quality control on the trigger. However like I said the rifle shoots rediculous groups consisently shooting in the .2's.
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