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Old 09-14-2005, 10:09 AM
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Re: Best laser range finder good to 1000 yards on game-

Does the Bushnell laz game out to 1000? or a reflective surface? There is a big differance.

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Old 09-14-2005, 10:12 AM
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Re: Best laser range finder good to 1000 yards on game

You also make good points. The Bushnell elite is not a substitute for good binoculars.
Another point in the Bushnell 1500 elites favor - has the bullseye and brush features that allow you to range on some targets that the Swarovski won't, such as fence posts, telephone poles, singposts, etc.

Comparing the Bushnell 1000 to the Swar is not really a fair test - the Bushnell 1K is at it's ragged edge of 1K. Don found that more than half of the Bushnell 1500 would only range to 1300 yards or so (he either returned them to the factory or discounted them).
Compare my Bushnell 1500 to the Swaro at 1,000 yards - I belive it will equal or better the Swaro at those ranges.
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Without a doubt it has better optics and will range farther. For those of us with limited funds, it comes down to priorities.
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Old 09-14-2005, 10:19 AM
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Re: Best laser range finder good to 1000 yards on game-

Talk to Don optics@pobox.com - he regularly ranges dull rocks at 1,300 to 1,500 yards.
He will test it before he ships it.
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Old 09-14-2005, 11:10 AM
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Re: Best laser range finder good to 1000 yards on game

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If your budget can stand the hit it will take to purchase the Swaro then Iíd say go for the Swarovski. You wonít be sorry. Youíll be glad you did every time you press the button. Let me explain.

You say range on game to 1000 yards. To me this means it has to be able to range on any and all big game, under all conditions, to 1000 yards. I have compared the Leica 1200, and others, side by side with my Swarovski and there are a lot of conditions where the Leica will not get to 1000 yards but the Swaro will. Also, I find that under similar conditions, the Swaro will easily out-range the Leica every time. I consider the Leica to be next best to the Swaro in rangefinders but there are just times when the Leica, or similar or lesser units, just canít cut it.

In talking to Bushnell about their Elite they would only say it would range a deer to 500 yards and not guarantee, in any way, it would range a deer beyond that. They will say it will range ďreflectiveĒ objects farther, but itís been a long time since I saw a ďreflectiveĒ deer or elk. Iím sure itíll range a deer beyond 500 yards, but just how far beyond that is the question.

All rangefinders have conditions that make them less than ideal and cause them to range far short of their normal, ideal condition, maximum range.

Remember you donít get to pick the conditions when you are hunting and if things are less than favorable and you have cut corners and purchased a cheaper rangefinder and that big buck or bull is out there at 900 to 1200 yards and you try to range him with your cheaper unit and it doesnít work, you will wish you had spent the extra money.

Yes they can be considered expendable and disposable if you want to look at it like that, but I figure that if Iím going to spend $6,000 or $7,000 on a rifle then I can spend $850 on a quality range finder that I know will work when the chips are down and mother nature has decided to make conditions less than ideal for ranging.

For me, the best bang for my buck is a rangefinder that will range game at the ranges I need it to under all conditions and that is the Swaro. A lot of people will disagree, saying theyíre too expensive but cost is relative.

Spend thousands of dollars on equipment, travel, lodging, meals, etc. for the hunt you have been planning for a long time. Then have it spoiled for the lack of spending an additional $400 or $500 and you will regret it, I guarantee it.

I agree that rangefinders will get better and better and soon the capabilities of the current Swaro will be far surpassed, but I use it now, not 5 years from now. For me, itís great to have a rangefinder that can function at all ranges my equipment is capable of shooting at.

If you have a gun that is capable of 1000 yards, or farther, donít get stuck with a rangefinder that canít match the capabilities of your gun, under all conditions. Itíll be like not even having a rangefinder when the chips are down and you need to make the shot. The Swaro isnít on the ragged edge at 1000 yards, itís just cruising. Iíve ranged deer to over 1500 yards and elk to well over 1900 yards with my Swarovski.

Unfortunately Kirby is trying to make the Swaro and itís capabilities obsolete so I would imagine that something is going to have to either supplement the Swaro, Wilde etc., or replace it very shortly.

These are just my opinions, thoughts and what I have observed in the field. You need to make your decision based on what you can afford and what you need to match your equipment and your capabilities. Whatever you choose I know youíll use your rangefinder a lot, I know I do. Good luck. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 09-14-2005, 03:51 PM
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Re: Best laser range finder good to 1000 yards on game

I've had good luck with my Leica 900. I have had readings past 1000yds when antelope hunting...off of the animals and/or the ground they were standing on--lazed 3-5 times to check for accuracy/consistency-same reading everytime within 2-5 yds. I'm impressed with the Leica to say the least.
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Old 09-14-2005, 04:59 PM
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Re: Best laser range finder good to 1000 yards on game

My comment was directed at the part of the question that pertained to the ranging game animals at 1K.

I have been there done that with the Leica 1200 and used it for years and really respeect that ranging tool. That said, when I started getting the AMs running, I quickly found their range potential for accurate first shot placement outpaced the Leica 1200 by a fair margin.

In one instance which I reported on here was on my Mouflon ram hunt this spring to test the 270 AM. The ram I wanted to harvest was at a relatively long range for me. Problem was it was out in an open meadow surounded by 3 ft tall sage brush.

I ranges the ram dozens of times and got two readings, 923 and 925 yards so I took that for the trueth. At the shot the ram dropped in his tracks but only because my shot had landed high and struck the ram in the horn and knocked him cold.

The reason, because those two readings I got were off the sage brush line behind the ram and not off the ram himself which was at roughly 860 yards. The bullet was exactly where it should have been on relationship to my drop chart, only problem was I was depending on a erronious range reading. My fault, not the Leica, I should have never taken the shot with only getting two readings with a couple dozen laser fires.

Needless to say the ram came to and after a bit of work finding him again in the herd the Leica got several consistant 610 yard readings and it was over as soon as the trigger broke.

Point is, until you get in a situation where there is a world class animal or simply an animal you want to harvest at an unknown range and the ranging tool you are using is not providing an accurate range measurement, this may not seem like a big enough deal to spend an extra $350 on a Swarovski rangefinder.

But when it happens and you have a rifle that is fully capable of making the shot and you know you are up to the challange as well, there is nothing worst then passing on a shot because of inadiquate ranging equipment.

If you want a rangefinder to range a game animal out to 1000 yards, consistantly in all conditions, the Swar is the only option on the market right now.

I just ordered in two 1500 elites for customers. In bright sunlight they were good for 850 yards and that was it. That was on buildings. Comparitively, the Swarovski was ranging round hay bails out to 1350 yards that same day.

Take it for what you will. But for my money I would rather spend the extra cash and never give my rangefinding gear a second thought.

I assure you there is nothing more frustrating then not knowing how far that animal is away from you when you know you can easily make the shot presented to you.

Good Shooting!!

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Re: Best laser range finder good to 1000 yards on game

SS7mm,

Now you've gone and done it......... pushed me right over the edge [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]I just ordered my Swarovski LSR , used all 230 of my Cabelas dollars/ points ( what ? doesn't everybody have that much or more [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] )

Best you don't post your address , my wife may see it [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] Really looking forward to using it , will post my experience . thanks to all of you , I have been sitting on the pot for literally months now , just could'nt / would'nt decide . Thing is , it dawned on me reading this thread , in two years or less I will be setting my sight on the next wonder. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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