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Berger VLD bullets on Moose - will it work??

 
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Old 07-02-2013, 08:36 AM
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Re: Berger VLD bullets on Moose - will it work??

I took a north Idaho bull moose last year with a 210 grain hunting VLD from a 300 WM at about 250 yards. Bullet was recovered in the hide and it performed exactly as it was supposed too. Good luck on your hunt.
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Old 07-02-2013, 08:55 AM
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Re: Berger VLD bullets on Moose - will it work??

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I got lucky and drawn and once in a life time ND Moose tag. The concern Iím having is with bullet selection. Iíll be hunting with a 7mm STW, the best load ďand only load I developedĒ is using a 180 grain VLD-H Berger. Since this load shoots lights out (3150FPS, 1 inch groups at 250 yards) I would hate to switch loads unless needed.


Of course shot placement is key for any bullet. What your thoughts or experiences using these bullets on Moose, or any game similar to Moose? Thank you...
I'd say you've got it nailed down. I shoot the 180 VLD's out of my STW, too.

Might I pry and ask what your load data is to get 3150 fps? My load is only 2900... I wouldn't mind stepping it up a bit to reach that 3,000 fps mark.
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Old 07-02-2013, 09:10 AM
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Re: Berger VLD bullets on Moose - will it work??

I can not speak personally for a moose taken with 180 HVLD's. But can attest for being present for many bull elk taken with them at both near and far distances. I am using Bergers in all my hunting rifles now. I apply for a moose tag every year and have no plans on changing bullets if I draw my once in a lifetime tag.

If you have doubts about how they truly work, read the thread below. I gathered data for the Berger 215 on 19 big game kills from antelope to many elk at lots of different distances. All the same bullets and same rifle in one season. Impact data and terminal performance photos are all there to see for yourself. I do not wish to sway you to use any bullet. But instead provide you with actual pictures and data of how they really work and if they will work to your approval.

I agree with the behind the shoulder placement. But what has been left out so far in this discussion is what could happen at longer distances. In this thread you will see where we had at least a few instances where bullet placement was less than perfect and the design of the Berger bullets saved our butts. Follow up shots were chambered but never needed. Also know that with longer distances where velocity, and chances for perfect placement fade, you will see increased chances of a complete pass through with a Berger. And when the Bergers pass through at these distances on Elk, I can tell you the exit holes will be far greater than a non-expanding bullets.

You are gathering data, and that is good, I too say go with what you trust to do the job. I hope some of this data help you to make a decision that is right for you.

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Comparing the Berger 210 VLD to the 215 Hybrid
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Old 07-02-2013, 09:26 AM
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Re: Berger VLD bullets on Moose - will it work??

I've never killed a moose or elk.....But I have dropped some whitetails in my day. I know that they aren't hard to kill, being thin-skinned, but those are some tough SOB's. I've shot some that just didn't want to die...I sat around for a few minutes in the stand, got down, walked over to it, and it was still kickin at me so I had to put one in it's gourd to finish it off, even though I lung-shot it...

I'm going to be giving the VLD's a shot this year to see how they do. In the past I've used everything from Sierra Gamekings, to Trophy Bonded Bearclaws, to Barnes TSX, to Accubonds. I did NOT like the Gamekings or Bearclaws. They ruined too much meat. The Barnes and Accubonds worked perfectly. And I'm hoping the VLD's will do the same. I'm really praying they will, because they're the best shooting bullets I've ever shot out of my rifles, as far as groupings and accuracy goes.

However, on that note... I have faith in ANY hunting bullet being able to kill anything, minus things in Africa, b/c that's a whole different ballgame. I wouldn't see why the VLD's would not work fine...Bullets are bullets. They have 1 specific purpose to be shot into animals and dispatch them humanely.

I mean, we could sit and argue semantics and specifics, but when it all gets boiled down to it, a hunting bullet is a hunting bullet and they will all do what they were designed to do if put in the right place.
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Old 07-02-2013, 09:42 AM
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Re: Berger VLD bullets on Moose - will it work??

I sure appreciate all your help. Since I switched to Berger last year, I only experienced one kill. That was on a 250lb mule deer, the bullet preformed exactly as advertized. But, as you know Moose are thicker skinned vs a big mule deer. Thatís the only reason why Iím concerned.

MudRunner, Iím using 80.5 grains of Vihtavori N570 powder, with the bullet soft touching. Youíll get 150fps faster comparing N570 to H1000. To what I found, N570 is great for temperature swings. Here in ND you may have a 60 degree swing from one day to another, so a good stable powder is important.
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Old 07-02-2013, 09:51 AM
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Re: Berger VLD bullets on Moose - will it work??

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I sure appreciate all your help. Since I switched to Berger last year, I only experienced one kill. That was on a 250lb mule deer, the bullet preformed exactly as advertized. But, as you know Moose are thicker skinned vs a big mule deer. That’s the only reason why I’m concerned.

MudRunner, I’m using 80.5 grains of Vihtavori N570 powder, with the bullet soft touching. You’ll get 150fps faster comparing N570 to H1000. To what I found, N570 is great for temperature swings. Here in ND you may have a 60 degree swing from one day to another, so a good stable powder is important.
Thanks man! I'll have to check into the Viht 570. Not sure if my local store has any or not, but I'll check and see. They sell Viht, but their powder supplies have been kind of hit or miss lately. If so, I'll definitely give it a shot. Do you have any pressure signs on your brass with that load?

I also load my 180's just barely touching the lands for accuracy and pressure relief.

I have tried everything from Reloder 19, 22, and H1000 in my STW, and found H1000 to be the best and most stable so far. I will definitely be buying some N570 to try. We have bad temp swings and weather changes here in Alabama, too. We have a running joke here, "Welcome to Alabama, if you don't like the weather, stick around for a few minutes and it'll change..."
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Old 07-02-2013, 10:30 AM
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Re: Berger VLD bullets on Moose - will it work??

No problem MudRunner, hope you find the speed youíre looking for. Just so you know 168 VLD with 81.5 N570 gets me around 3,200 fps. Iíve know guys who run 168 VLDís at 3,330 using 83.0gr of N570. I tried it, but had heavy bolt extractor marks.
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