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Old 04-27-2011, 10:58 AM
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Re: Army going to 300 Win Mag for LRH

joe0121,

really not that much of a leap; just switching out the barrel and bolt, and removing the magazine spacer, and you've just turned your 7.62x51 into a 300 Win Mag. That's what the army had planned when they first fielded this system back in the late '80s. Just seems like it lost something in translation, and now they're "discovered" the idea all over again. Go figure.

Somehow, I get the feeling that "Dilbert" is a popular cartoon strip in certain circles of the defense industry. Then again, maybe too close to home.
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If they were smart and we all know that statement is an oxymoron they would go with the 338 Lapua, if anything it would at least put them in step with the rest of NATO.

I wish to reiterate again that the ARMY initially intended the M24 to be chambered in 30-06 but do to logistics the 308 won in the end.

What would be a real improvement would be to drop the rem 700 platform in favor of a better design.
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No facts in my post, just opinions. If I was starting from scratch I would pick a new side arm (FNP 5.7), new carbine (Beretta ARX 160), and for long range precision work Accuracy International platform in .338 LM.
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joe0121,

really not that much of a leap; just switching out the barrel and bolt, and removing the magazine spacer, and you've just turned your 7.62x51 into a 300 Win Mag. That's what the army had planned when they first fielded this system back in the late '80s. Just seems like it lost something in translation, and now they're "discovered" the idea all over again. Go figure.

Somehow, I get the feeling that "Dilbert" is a popular cartoon strip in certain circles of the defense industry. Then again, maybe too close to home.
From what i read online was they are changing the barrel stock and receiver. This was several months ago so who knows if it changed
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If they were smart and we all know that statement is an oxymoron they would go with the 338 Lapua, if anything it would at least put them in step with the rest of NATO.

I wish to reiterate again that the ARMY initially intended the M24 to be chambered in 30-06 but do to logistics the 308 won in the end.

What would be a real improvement would be to drop the rem 700 platform in favor of a better design.
Whats wrong with the rem 700?
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joe0121,

The stock is just an evolution. Hell even the Marines have changed their original design McMillan "General Purpose Hunting Stock" that came out on the M40s to something new. Kind of a shame in my opinion, since the original stock is (IMHO) damn near perfect. The Army's H&S stocks weren't as durable as the McMillans, and I've heard some complaints about the adjustable LOP becoming loose, that sort of thing. I've seen them come back with all kinds of field expedient fixes to hold them in one position, so there's somethin to the complaints. In any case, a change of stock wasn't part of the plan, just something that came up naturally during the evolution of the rifle.

Barrel, bolt and spacer, and that was supposed to b e the full extent of the switch to 300 Win Mag. These were all still arsenal level fixes, since the M700 is a pretty conventional design. Had they gone with something like the Desert Tactical or PGM rifles being tested today, this would be a field level switch, and we wouldn't be dealing with all this nonsense. A commander, or even the sniper himself could decide to use a bigger hammer than a 7.62, r5each into the tool box and inside of a minute he'd now have a 300 Win Mag for the task at hand.

Perhaps when we get to the point of snipers having caddies and trailing a golf bag, we'll have the solution. "1350 meters, mild wind but gusting. Hmmmm. Caddie, hand me my 338 iron for this one!" A minute later the barrel's switched, the shot's made and Haji has his 72 virgins. Everbody's happy.
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joe0121,

The stock is just an evolution. Hell even the Marines have changed their original design McMillan "General Purpose Hunting Stock" that came out on the M40s to something new. Kind of a shame in my opinion, since the original stock is (IMHO) damn near perfect. The Army's H&S stocks weren't as durable as the McMillans, and I've heard some complaints about the adjustable LOP becoming loose, that sort of thing. I've seen them come back with all kinds of field expedient fixes to hold them in one position, so there's somethin to the complaints. In any case, a change of stock wasn't part of the plan, just something that came up naturally during the evolution of the rifle.

Barrel, bolt and spacer, and that was supposed to b e the full extent of the switch to 300 Win Mag. These were all still arsenal level fixes, since the M700 is a pretty conventional design. Had they gone with something like the Desert Tactical or PGM rifles being tested today, this would be a field level switch, and we wouldn't be dealing with all this nonsense. A commander, or even the sniper himself could decide to use a bigger hammer than a 7.62, r5each into the tool box and inside of a minute he'd now have a 300 Win Mag for the task at hand.

Perhaps when we get to the point of snipers having caddies and trailing a golf bag, we'll have the solution. "1350 meters, mild wind but gusting. Hmmmm. Caddie, hand me my 338 iron for this one!" A minute later the barrel's switched, the shot's made and Haji has his 72 virgins. Everbody's happy.
LOL

Are you talking about the weapon system the is a bull pup design with an AR sort of look to it?

Those look very interesting if I had a million bucks I'd have them.
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