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Old 07-25-2012, 12:05 AM
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Re: Advice For a Beginner Long Range Hunter

I think the wind could have definitely been some of it, but at three hundred yards that wind shouldn't have been walking us around the target up and down left and right like it did. I'm obviously no expert but that was more than the wind. i understand my windage adjustment wasn't perfect, no where near it, but we were just trying to dial in for elevation and we decided we should account for some of the wind to keep us on the target. In regards to the barrel walking, I can definitely believe that, we will make sure to pay more attention to giving some time between shots next round. We did go to the local club and shoot a hundred yo check the zero, like I mentioned l, and used a barber pole to check the mils. And we put 6 rounds on target there. Then proceeded to drive ten minutes and get setup to shoot 300, which was probably at least a half an hour total before we got a target set up, and out "cold" bore shot on the 300 harder was dead on left to right and an inch and a half low, second round was 2 inches below that, then they started to get random, coincidence? Idk, maybe
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Old 07-25-2012, 03:44 AM
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Not that I've got a lot of long range experience.... Seems to me that the wind is probably 2/3 of your problem. 5 to 11 o clock? That means no value when at 6 and full value at 9 o clock. That 80 gr. bullet is going to drift a bit, especially when the wind is gusting like you said. Clean the barrel good. Get a good calm AM or PM and try again. Another problem could the barrel "walking" as it heats up. Your barrel isn't going to cool very fast when its over 90 degrees. Barrel/ action may need bedded and floated. Try w/o the wind and time to cool between shots and report back. Also get some 115 or 105 gr Bergers depending on your barrel twist and start reloading. Best of luck. Bruce
Being from Gillette you would be used to shooting in a lot of wind wouldn't you...>
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When I say my brother is a good shooter I mean he is just simply rock steady, always has been, has always shot well, at whatever range he shot at, with whatever weapon you give him, bolt action, rimfire, semi auto centerfire, bow, anything. Anyway, i dont want to get into that, nor do I need to. I trust my brothers shooting abilities and spoke with him about how stable he was with that setup, he said he was dead steady and had no doubt whatsoever about staying in target. I'll take his word for it. Regardless of anything that i say there will be people that say that he is probably the issue in our results. Not ruling that out entirely, just saying that I doubt it. I'm sure many of you are better shooters than he is, but he's deffintely good enough to have shot better than what showed up on the target today. ANYWAYYYYY I had seen the tracking test mentioned while researching and thought about doing that, but we both just assumed the scope would track the way it was built to track, regardless of that we still should've been able to get groups. That could have been one of our issues but it most likely was not the only one. Keep the recommendations coming guys, I'll thinking about them and we try to eliminate them one by one, guess we need to go shoot some more pretty soon, because if we dont this is drive me insane
Trust me, no one here wants to insult your or your brother's shooting abilities.

We don't know you, don't know your history, training, or experience but you asked for honest opinions as to what could be the problem so that's what you are getting.

If the best shot in your county cant' hit a basketball at 10 yds and you can hit a baseball at 50 then you're the best shot in the county.

If the best shot in your county can hit a 10" pie plate at a thousand, and you can hit the lid of a snuff can, you're the best shot in the county.

"A really good shot" is an incredibly subjective term.

Trust me, most of us here really are trying to help you and no insult is intended.
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:51 AM
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Re: Advice For a Beginner Long Range Hunter

Can someone please give an in depth explanation of this bipod thing for me? I dont think I'm fully understanding it
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When you are using your bipods if you push forwand a little you can feel the bipod legs flex a little bit, that is called loading the legs. This is a great thread The importance of being Solid
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When you are using your bipods if you push forwand a little you can feel the bipod legs flex a little bit, that is called loading the legs. This is a great thread The importance of being Solid


Ya, that's a good read, but doesn't explain my post.
Basically, if I grip my rifles forend & cradle in tight for a "solid hold" my stock flexed ever so little, but shows a drastic effect! Same thing with bipods on my rifle. If I pre load or "flex" them by leaning into them hard enough to get solid resistance, my groups go to crap.
My barrel is floated, but action is not glassed in. I can tell you with absolute certainty that somehow the pressure put on the forend, by my grip, or the pre loaded bipods causes me grief. My rifle will not shoot well at all like that.
If I use my left hand at all, its only on the buttstock.

I simply let the front ride, & put no pressure what so ever forend, or on the bipods.
It was a slight change in technique that revealed the flexing stock caused by loading the bipods.
The accuracy is there. Sometimes,its a ever so slight change to your technique that makes the world of difference.


Like Wildrose said, NOBODY is judging you, or your brother. We've ALL been there at some point, & will likely have to rely on our buddies again for advise in the future. That's what LRH is for. Sometimes it just takes someone who's been there before, to point out subtle little things that can make all the difference.

You'll no doubt track down the culprit, & get it corrected if your persistant. Then inevitably, you'll run accross someone with a simmilar problem, & may be able to offer your own hands on advise.
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Old 07-26-2012, 11:14 AM
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Ya, that's a good read, but doesn't explain my post.
Basically, if I grip my rifles forend & cradle in tight for a "solid hold" my stock flexed ever so little, but shows a drastic effect! Same thing with bipods on my rifle. If I pre load or "flex" them by leaning into them hard enough to get solid resistance, my groups go to crap.
My barrel is floated, but action is not glassed in. I can tell you with absolute certainty that somehow the pressure put on the forend, by my grip, or the pre loaded bipods causes me grief. My rifle will not shoot well at all like that.
If I use my left hand at all, its only on the buttstock.

I simply let the front ride, & put no pressure what so ever forend, or on the bipods.
It was a slight change in technique that revealed the flexing stock caused by loading the bipods.
The accuracy is there. Sometimes,its a ever so slight change to your technique that makes the world of difference.


Like Wildrose said, NOBODY is judging you, or your brother. We've ALL been there at some point, & will likely have to rely on our buddies again for advise in the future. That's what LRH is for. Sometimes it just takes someone who's been there before, to point out subtle little things that can make all the difference.

You'll no doubt track down the culprit, & get it corrected if your persistant. Then inevitably, you'll run accross someone with a simmilar problem, & may be able to offer your own hands on advise.
Good luck,
Slightly off topic here but maybe useful..

WM exactly what kind of stock did/do you have on that rifle which was flexing when you gripped and preloaded the BP?

I had many years back a wood 700bdl factory stock that did basically the same thing which gave me fits.

After I free floated it completely I cut a channel below the bbl and used a cut off piece of stainless rod (cut up a stainless 1 piece cleaning rod for it) which I bedded in solid with epoxy.

I also cut two channels along the sides from just behind the action to the recoil lug and did the same.

Buddy, that thing didn't flex much anymore after that!
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