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Unread 02-18-2008, 01:00 PM
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I can't wait to see the finished work. I personally could care less if you did shoot them while tied to a fence post. I know you did not do that and you were up front with all of us. But if you did I would only be bummed that I didn't find the fence post before you. Who cares how you got them. You certainly dont have to defend yourself with the people here. If one or two have a problem with something and want to rag on you - who cares.

Seems like one or two can sure change the tone of a post that was supposed to be fun.
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Unread 02-18-2008, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Fiftydriver View Post
I guess I am just a bit confused why these elk have started such as pissin match. From even before the hunt, here on long range hunting, I made it painfully clear, made a point to in fact, that this was a trip to do nothing but field test the 338 Allen Xpress and the new 265 gr AT RBBT.

I commented on how large the area was we would be hunting, larger then many hunters cover in a week of hunting wild came and concerning whitetail deer, more ground then you would need for a lifetime of hunting.

The area is filled with extremely deep rocky draws filled with very heavy black timber with broken up areas on some of the properties.

I have never said these were wild elk, I have never claimed I was going on a wild elk hunt, I have never bitched about not getting into the B&C club with these animals, they are not possible entries, they qualify for the SCI "estate" records, not the "free Range" records although that is an interesting topic.

I know of several record listings in the "Free Range" listing that were killed on high fence properties smaller then the one I took my bull on.

That is besides the point, I know what this bull is, I knew what I was doing and I reported the exact details as they were, had no desire to mislead anyone on the subject and if some would have read my posts fully, there would have no problem at all with my posts.

Simply put, this was a field test and it worked very well. Anyone that has seen the video of this +1000 lb bull take the 265 gr AT RBBT through both lungs at 604 yards and only run 25 yards before falling to the ground simply can not believe that kind of performance without a major support bone being hit on impact.

Even the ranch owner was amazed as he had had many hunters bring out much larger caliber chamberings and have a hell of a time putting their bulls on the ground, including 375 H&H, 416 Rem Mags and 458 Lotts.

I think many get offended because they work their ass off to shoot wild elk that score half what this bull does and for some reason, they take offense to these bulls. I do not know why. I am not referring to Boss Hoss on this comment, more toward Nonya. If I recall he shot a fine bull and posted pics of it. I may be wrong but I think I remember that from him.

My question is why would he get offended because of these bulls. He may or may not have worked hard for his bull. I do not know. Was it a trophy bull, any legal bull, in my mind is a trophy. Why would you not be secure enough in yourself and the game you take so that two elk taken on a private hunting range offend the hell out of you. To the point you would directly attack the person that shot one of these animals.

Its like both of you assume I shot my bull tied up to a fence post and now am making up a story to make it sounds like it was on a wild hunt.

Anyway, just a bit confused what the reasoning for the attacks. They obviously are unfounded to anyone that has been following these posts. I have been 100% up front about the entire deal. The main reason for the post anyway was the performance results of the 338 Allen Xpress and the 265 gr AT RBBT.....

Just confused. Whenever you post on a public forum, you open yourself up to attack. I know that as well as anyone. I also know there are lot of guys out there that like the stories and pics and to read about new chamberings and bullets and their performance in the field or on the range. That is why I post because I am also one of these guys that like to read others results and experiments and the resulting field tests.

I feel there is an underlying issue with Nonya and Boss Hoss. I have contacted both through PM to try to resolve what problems they have with me personally because obviously these personal attacks are based on something. If they will be honest, and tell me at least I will respect them for that

Anyway, time for work.

I will post pics when the bulls are finished.

Kirby Allen(50)

I stand corrected and after corresponding via PM with Kirby furthermore understand. Whilst my view of "hunting" is pretty straight forward and black and white you could say I respect what he has done.

BTW those heads I would love to see with a rifle in my hand!!


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Unread 02-18-2008, 03:00 PM
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I would also like to add my feelings about hunting just to make things clear to everyone.

In my opinion, any game animal that is taken in the wild in an ethical(open for debate topic again), legal and efficent manner is an extremely high quality trophy no matter what the score, size or shape of the animal is.

In some instances a doe whitetail could be the ultimate trophy to a new hunter or even experienced hunter.

Any legal elk taken in the wild is more of a hunting trophy then either of the two bulls we took in Nebraska and that is my honest opinion and feeling on the matter.

Do I see these elk we took as livestock, no, some will and thats fine, I do not. I live in the heart of livestock country. These elk acted nothing like cattle but that is beyond the point. They are not wild elk and I never portrayed them to be that.

I hold our hunting heritage in the highest reguard but also realize that high fence hunting ranches serve a purpose and at times serve a cery critical purpose.

I once watched a filmed hunt with a handicapped young man and he took a 300" class bull on a private ranch. You could have not seen any difference if this had been a wild elk or a high fence elk from this young hunter.

Was this a wild elk, no, did it make a difference to this young hunter who would have never had a chance to shoot a wild elk in all reality, NO.

Just hope we can all realize that even though we may not agree with something in our own lives, that does not mean that specific thing does not have very important and real uses to others out there that we may not understand at the time.

Nuff said on the topic. I think things have been respectfully straightened out between Boss Hoss and myself and I thank him for taking the time to respond to my PM which was very respectful and reasonable.

Take care. These are just pics of elk, just want everyone to enjoy seeing them.

Kirby Allen(50)
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Unread 02-18-2008, 03:09 PM
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When a person gives you the whole story upfront and his honest about it I just dont see how you can be pissy about it. Kirby was up front the whole time about the hunt and the nature of it. I saw too much of this same crap over at "the Fire" and it really just pisses me off, i see no reason to belittle someones trophy when they are honest about it.

Kirby, what the hell man!!???!?!!??!:mad: how come i aint seen a copy of this video yet

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Unread 02-18-2008, 04:36 PM
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When I see these high fence arguments I hate reading them because they all end up the same way. Hunting is hunting to me. One thing that is always left out of the argument is the fact that these animals belong to somebody and reside on their private property. What these discussions are to me is some righteous hunter trying to tell a private property owner what they think you should or shouldn't be able to do on your own private property. If everybody would quit worrying about other's ethics the future of our sport would be much brighter.
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Unread 02-18-2008, 07:15 PM
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I can agree with lance but let me add.

Congrats guys, you guys are doing exactly what the anti's or PETA loves to see. In fighting and there is no opponent. Remember guys, ultimatly you are on the same team.

Regardless of how the animals were taken, let it go. If a person wants to call shooting a deer/elk in a 20x20 pen hunting, so be it. Maybe it is to that person. Remember, searching for the correct letter/key on a computer keyboard is hunting to some people. Let it go and hope the others will have the same sense as you. Remember, this really is not a compettion of who can kill the most or largest animal.

Mike Alford
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Unread 02-18-2008, 07:27 PM
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lerch, buffalorancher, mikenc +1

Boss Hoss - very good of you to modify your critique, in spite of your strong feelings about hunting methods.

And most importantly - Fiftydriver... I'd like to see that elk fall on video also.
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