Great photos Kirby. The hunting story that goes with them was also a great read. Thanks for taking the time to share a good-spirited hunting story.
I expect some people on both sides of the "fence" will lose some sleep over these photos. One side from awe and the other suffering from constipation. Oh well... no one being forced to look at your pictures of these monster bulls.
Can't wait to see some photos of the finished mounts. That should put the low-fencers through some more agony. ;)
Well since you brought it up I will elaborate a little. The site is called Long Range Hunting and not Long Range Pen Harvesting. Don’t ever hunt anything that is not able to ingress and egress freely out of our property boundaries. The only thing I do execute is feral hogs and when we are able to catch them in a trap they are dispatched promptly otherwise, they are shot on site. I can not comment on the remarks made about Africa as that is not something that I aspire to do but do have friends that have gone there to hunt and enjoyed it---whether or not they were on a fenced in game ranch is not something that we went into but I suspect not as they feel the same way about HF hunting as I do.
Last year I saw several young deer in the 150 to 170 class that were not to their potential so they were left to better the herd so to speak. The only thing I shot last year were dogs and coyotes which unfortunately over the last 30 years or so we have been seeing a steady increase of. I did take a photo of one just because we had seen pics of him on one of the game cameras chasing turkey. Don’t shoot everything with antlers or even fur (let a cougar walk a few years ago) because at this stage of my hunting life the tendency is to watch and see how the indigenous species interact with each other. We work with both State and Federal Biologists to enhance the habitat with both native plantings and with dedicated summer food plots for example, in about 45 days we will be putting out more alfalfa where it is needed, and drilling in the different types of peas. The winter plots are all working very well and in a couple of months when the fawns hit the ground the does will have an adequate supply of high protein food to ensure an outstanding milk supply.
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Bob yes I have killed some nice animals in the past all free range. I have an Aoudad that made book here in Texas and I took it out of its storage spot to get a pic a few months ago(pic is not on this computer will add later). The zoo comment was a little harsh and in retrospect should not have added that as it took away from the message. People who like to harvest trophies and have the ability and resources to do it and it provides the commensurate amount of satisfaction then more power to them. Fundamentally, my view of what someone would call “hunting” seems to be different than many however, the Webster Dictionary defines it thusly:
before 12th century
1: the act of one that hunts; specifically : the pursuit of game 2: the process of hunting
The date of the word and its meaning is “before the 12th century” so maybe my interpretation is flawed but I will leave it to the collective to decide what the actual spirit and intent of the term as it is used on this board means. I suspect that it has different meanings depending on the way you pursue your individual "game" of course however, you will never see anyone who refers to the taking of “game” with a weapon other than hunting.
Kirby---you have sent me a PM and I will contact you shortly.
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I fully understand not shooting everything one sees and most of us after we get out of the teenage years are that way.
But my point remains that you don't hunt, you just criticize others. Anybody who wants to criticize me can go to one of my stories and find how many times I missed, how much I practiced and what I did right or wrong. If I criticize or insult someone they can go right to any of my stories and find something I did wrong. You, on the other hand, deal out criticism but don't expose yourself to it. If you are not going to hunt nor post stories about it then you should just remain silent about those of us who go on out there and do it. I find this behavior the same as the people who clamor for war but don't want to be the ones to go. Much easier to stand back and complain than to go and do.
I grew up on a farm in Alabama and I know very well the difference in hunting ones own private property and hunting public land so I would not say you have much room for talk about high fence.
Sorry but You still do not understand but that is ok. I hunt more than most people on this site but everytime I kill something I choose not to post pics. Hog are hunted everytime I go to the ranch and this year only missed 2 weekends from Nov to the 1st weekend in Jan of deer season. Also I very very rarely miss shooting hogs and dogs(most were moving deer I have not missed in at least 15 years). When shooting competition always shoot score and don't do badly so it just goes to show if you know what you are doing missing does not happen very often.
If I kill any hogs Saturday I will post pics ---- last weekend drove out to Quemado NM to visit Ken Howell and pick up a barrelled action that he will not be able to finish (he is in very poor health). This Weekend going to see if the hogs are getting out more in the daylight now that the groceries are getting thin.
As to your High Fence comment I have aboslutely no idea what you are talking about.
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I guess I am just a bit confused why these elk have started such as pissin match. From even before the hunt, here on LRH, I made it painfully clear, made a point to in fact, that this was a trip to do nothing but field test the 338 Allen Xpress and the new 265 gr AT RBBT.
I commented on how large the area was we would be hunting, larger then many hunters cover in a week of hunting wild came and concerning whitetail deer, more ground then you would need for a lifetime of hunting.
The area is filled with extremely deep rocky draws filled with very heavy black timber with broken up areas on some of the properties.
I have never said these were wild elk, I have never claimed I was going on a wild elk hunt, I have never bitched about not getting into the B&C club with these animals, they are not possible entries, they qualify for the SCI "estate" records, not the "free Range" records although that is an interesting topic.
I know of several record listings in the "Free Range" listing that were killed on high fence properties smaller then the one I took my bull on.
That is besides the point, I know what this bull is, I knew what I was doing and I reported the exact details as they were, had no desire to mislead anyone on the subject and if some would have read my posts fully, there would have no problem at all with my posts.
Simply put, this was a field test and it worked very well. Anyone that has seen the video of this +1000 lb bull take the 265 gr AT RBBT through both lungs at 604 yards and only run 25 yards before falling to the ground simply can not believe that kind of performance without a major support bone being hit on impact.
Even the ranch owner was amazed as he had had many hunters bring out much larger caliber chamberings and have a hell of a time putting their bulls on the ground, including 375 H&H, 416 Rem Mags and 458 Lotts.
I think many get offended because they work their ass off to shoot wild elk that score half what this bull does and for some reason, they take offense to these bulls. I do not know why. I am not referring to Boss Hoss on this comment, more toward Nonya. If I recall he shot a fine bull and posted pics of it. I may be wrong but I think I remember that from him.
My question is why would he get offended because of these bulls. He may or may not have worked hard for his bull. I do not know. Was it a trophy bull, any legal bull, in my mind is a trophy. Why would you not be secure enough in yourself and the game you take so that two elk taken on a private hunting range offend the hell out of you. To the point you would directly attack the person that shot one of these animals.
Its like both of you assume I shot my bull tied up to a fence post and now am making up a story to make it sounds like it was on a wild hunt.
Anyway, just a bit confused what the reasoning for the attacks. They obviously are unfounded to anyone that has been following these posts. I have been 100% up front about the entire deal. The main reason for the post anyway was the performance results of the 338 Allen Xpress and the 265 gr AT RBBT.....
Just confused. Whenever you post on a public forum, you open yourself up to attack. I know that as well as anyone. I also know there are lot of guys out there that like the stories and pics and to read about new chamberings and bullets and their performance in the field or on the range. That is why I post because I am also one of these guys that like to read others results and experiments and the resulting field tests.
I feel there is an underlying issue with Nonya and Boss Hoss. I have contacted both through PM to try to resolve what problems they have with me personally because obviously these personal attacks are based on something. If they will be honest, and tell me at least I will respect them for that
Anyway, time for work.
I will post pics when the bulls are finished.
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Hey Kirby, I wouldn't pay any of these guys any attention. I recall reading your posts on the hunt and from the get go you were straight up with what type of hunt it was and why you were doing the hunt. That's good enough as far as I'm concerned.
If people want to get their poop all tied up in a knot, so be it. It's probably a trend in their lives.
I look forward to seeing the finished pics, hope you've got high ceilings!