Long Range Hunting Online Magazine


Go Back   Long Range Hunting Online Magazine > Hunting > Long Range Hunting & Shooting

Long Range Hunting & Shooting Nightforce Optics


Reply

8.59 Titan Lazzeroni

 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #57  
Old 12-01-2011, 10:53 PM
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 183
Re: 8.59 Titan Lazzeroni

First of all I can't believe I'm even going to reply given the fact that I haven't had much luck talking to you in the past, however I really don't think you are going to find out much about the 190 berger other than it pry won't survive the launch. I wouldn't load many of them up cause you will probably dust them. They may survive in a brand new barrel but the minute they start touching a rough throat you will be done with this idea. The only berger vld's that I'm aware of making it past 3150 fps regularly are the 308 230 and the 338 300 gen 2.
Reply With Quote

  #58  
Old 12-02-2011, 12:14 AM
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 893
Re: 8.59 Titan Lazzeroni

Quote:
Originally Posted by learning View Post
First of all I can't believe I'm even going to reply given the fact that I haven't had much luck talking to you in the past, however I really don't think you are going to find out much about the 190 berger other than it pry won't survive the launch. I wouldn't load many of them up cause you will probably dust them. They may survive in a brand new barrel but the minute they start touching a rough throat you will be done with this idea. The only berger vld's that I'm aware of making it past 3150 fps regularly are the 308 230 and the 338 300 gen 2.
The 230 Berger and the 300 grain Berger are NOT VLD bullets. In 30 cal they make a (hunting) 155, 168, 180, 175, 185, 190, and 210, all VLD's....the 230 and the upcomming 215 are a blend of the best traits of the vld type design and the standard BT. The words secant and tangent ojive come in to play here, But I'll be damed if I know the in's and outs of what _ N _ L that all means!!

Berger does not make a VLD in .338....just the Tactical.

I am having very good luck with the 210 VLD at around 3280. But I'm guessing that the Warbird has a few more ponies under the hood.
Reply With Quote
  #59  
Old 12-02-2011, 01:20 AM
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Tucson AZ
Posts: 224
Re: 8.59 Titan Lazzeroni

4xforfun ,,,,,

WHY would I ask folks on this forum to run ballistics numbers for me ? ,,, to build a relationship AND see what they know that I do not ,,,,,,

I am also intrigued by this VLD hunting bullet stuff, and want to take a closer look at it ,,,,,

when I designed all the Lazzeroni calibers in 1995-1996, the shooting/hunting world was a lot different and so was the long range hunting environment, as 300 yards was considered long range and 500 yard shots were considered insane for the most part ,,,,,,,

In the late 90s, I was looked at with a very slanted eye by a magazine writer (I won't name names), on an Alaskan moose hunt when I told him I could shoot the moose we were looking at from 350 yards, no problem ! ,,,,,

the Lazzeroni calibers are some of the biggest and baddest available in the world, and when I started the company, velocity WAS king,,,, we called it ""Moores Law"" ,, (((some is good, more is better)) ,,,,,,

so in summary, I have been hunting since I was 9 years old, I am now old and fatter at age 56, I did not graduate from high-school, started my first business at age 22, built many wildcat rifle rounds in the 80s primarily on Weatherby calibers, started Lazzeroni arms company in 1994, designed all Lazzeroni beltless cartridges from scratch, based mostly upon my Weatherby wildcat experience ,,,,

so what in the hell am I doing on this forum asking questions that I may already know the answers to ?,,,,,,,

I simply enjoy interacting with you guys, most of you know quite a bit about long range shooting, and as always, "I" will learn some things from our conversations ,,,,,,,

I am going to try some of the things you guys are telling me about and see what is real and what is BS ,,,,,,,,

for the past 15 years or so, I have shot most all of my animals in the field, with my own personal Lazzeroni Warbird hunting rifle, spittin out specially NP3 lubricated 168gr HPBT Sierra match bullets and I can shoot 3 shot groups @ 1,000 yards under 10" about any time I want to, just lying on the ground, under the 1,000 yard shooting benches ,,,,,

but I DO know that there are many, many shooters/hunters now that have better rigs than I have, and CAN shoot better than I can ,,,,,

so, remember when I said that I don't build only what I want to build, I build what the customer wants to buy ? ,,,,,, keep those words of wisdom in the back of your head, for the day YOU start your own business ,,,,,
Reply With Quote
  #60  
Old 12-02-2011, 02:25 AM
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: The rifle range, or archery range or behind the computer in Alaska
Posts: 3,524
Re: 8.59 Titan Lazzeroni

John,

You certainly threw your cards down on the table....That is a good thing. I can respect you more now that I know more about you, how you got started etc....I think youre on the right track here. You cant go wrong hanging around here for good info. You will get yourself dusty in here from time to time. Shake it off and keep going. There is probably alot we can learn from eachother here. You can certainly get alot of input/feedback from the guys here. Some is bull but alot is valuable.

I can tell you have a hard time visualizing how we make first round hits at great ranges in field conditions. Its alot to absorb quickly. Sit back relax and soak up one thing at a time. Just know that there is an exacting method to it and is used very successfully.

I never did welcome you. So, welcome to the site!

M
__________________
Long range shooting is a process that ends with a result. Once you start to focus on the result (where the shot goes, how big the group is, what your buck will score, what your match score is, what place you are in...) then you loose the capacity to focus on the process.
Reply With Quote
  #61  
Old 12-02-2011, 10:55 AM
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Searcy, Arkansas
Posts: 700
Re: 8.59 Titan Lazzeroni

John, A 338 Khan is a 338/378 improved, holds about 15% more powder. Kirby Allen, one of the rifle builders on this site builds a 338 Allen mag that is based on the 408 case. I should be taking delivery of mine in the next month or so.

I am not doubting your experience dialing scopes. However, that has not been my experience with the 7 Night Force NXS scopes I have mounted on LR rigs. My usual test before I leave on a trip is to shoot 1 shot at 100, dial up to 1000, put one round on my 15"X15" gong, (17 to 24 moa depending on the rifle) then dial back to 0. If that shot is not less than 1 moa from the first I have a problem. Usually my two 100 yard shots are around 1/2 moa with the 1000 yard dial up in between.

I'm not trying to brag on my shooting skills here, just saying what I expect from my equipment.
Reply With Quote
  #62  
Old 12-04-2011, 11:11 AM
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Tucson AZ
Posts: 224
Re: 8.59 Titan Lazzeroni

Michael ,,,,,

oh I have no doubt that you are making first round hits at extreme ranges in the field, you have obviously dedicated a great deal of your time to figuring out how to do it right ,,,,,,

but I also think that you are NOT doing it EVERY TIME no matter how good your ballistic calculation methods are ,,,, mistakes happen ,,,

Especially at really long ranges, 800 yards and beyond ,,,, there are just too many little things that can add up to big things, not the least of which is the animal moving or taking a step, just about the moment the bullet is launched ,,,,, or that dreaded wind shift, change of direction or change in velocity anywhere between you and the target ,,,,

I can tell that you have worked hard to eliminate as many of these variables as possible, but I donít think you can take away all of them, including the human factors involved ,,,,,

I am going to dive into this extensively, testing and shooting various components over the next 30 days and announce two new model Lazzeroni L2012XTLR rifles at the SHOT SHOW in Las Vegas ,,,,,,

Stay tuned ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Reply With Quote
  #63  
Old 12-04-2011, 04:36 PM
PUBLISHER
 
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 5,883
Re: 8.59 Titan Lazzeroni

Quote:
I understand most of your clients dont hunt past 500 yards. The status quo is thus fine. Most here on this site do. I dont speak for the rest but I suspect that if you want to appeal to most of the hunters on this site, you will need to offer at least some options to appeal to them such as barrels and/or ammo that lends itself to past 500 yard hunting.
Michael

I agree with your suggestion on the added opportunity for John to also offer products that appeal to the over 500 yard crowd here. But I just took a fresh look at our "Your Longest Shot On Big Game" POLL. Very informative.
.
.
8.59 Titan Lazzeroni-poll-longest-shot.jpg
.
.

It appears that 65% of the respondents did not kill a big game animal in the last 12 months at more than 500 yards. If they are representative, this means that 200,000 of the 300,000 different monthly visitors to this site did not kill a big game animal at more than 500 yards.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads for: 8.59 Titan Lazzeroni
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
338 Lazzeroni Titan Brent Long Range Hunting & Shooting 4 08-01-2014 12:54 AM
Lazzeroni Titan opnions Casscade Long Range Hunting & Shooting 1 10-12-2007 09:48 AM
Anyone re-loading the Lazzeroni 8.59 Titan? dsgarmon Reloading 0 07-24-2005 03:56 PM
Lazzeroni 8.59 TITAN 338thunder Rifles, Bullets, Barrels and Ballistics 5 01-08-2004 09:16 AM
Lazzeroni 338 Titan deerhuntermike Guns For Sale 0 05-27-2003 02:57 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:44 PM.


Powered by vBulletin ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Management Powered by vBadvanced CMPS
All content ©2010-2014 Long Range Hunting, LLC