Originally Posted by Jumpalot
I really do not take hand loading into account just because I do not reload myself. I was comparing the the HSM with the berger VLD's. My whole point was was the if you take the same grain 30cal vs a 7mm the 7mm will always have a better BC with no exception of my knowledge. I am not here to argue with anybody but the over the counter 7mm rounds (which I know I am the only guy on this sight probably not hand loading) have better BC than the 30cal's.
I guess I missed the part about only comparing over the counter loads. I had my 7RM built five years ago because of the 180 Berger and it was better then what I could get for my 300WM. In fact my 300 hadn't been shot since the 7mm was completed. But with the 215 Berger coming out, I decided to dust it off and give them a try. What I found was that I could shoot a heavier, higher BC bullet faster. Makes my job easier. I'm actually thinking about going back to shooting the 168 Berger in the 7RM because I can shoot it quite a bit faster then the 180 and I get the same accuracy. I wouldn't hesitate to use this combo on elk either. Heck, I used my 270 and 130 grain bullets for years and killed elk.
Now, one more thing. I only look at both my 7RM and 300 WM as 700-800 yd. rifles. Notice I said rifles and not cartridges. Both of my riles are sub 8lb. packages. The cartridges are capable of far more, and I've used the 7RM to kill game to over 900 yds. But, and it's a huge "But", neither the 7mm or 300 are as easy to shoot at true long range as my 13lb. Edge.
The 7RM is a great round and fully capable of taking elk out to true long range distances. Find a good load and then go practice, practice, practice. Then when you're done doing that, practice some more.