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Old 06-25-2013, 01:23 PM
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag load for Elk size game at 700 yards.

My Brother shot a nice mule deer last year with his .50 cal muzzy. He hit it hard. Blew front shoulder out, Heart, and lungs. The deer still managed to bound 25 yards and piled up under a fell pine tree. There was small blood spots were it was standing but nothing else. He didn't see the deer go down after the shot because it dropped below his sight in the thick cover. It took us 3 hours searching every possible exit and track. We finally stumbled over it luckily. The deer had fallen under thick cover that even though we were standing 5 feet away we couldn't see it. Point is You probably killed your elk and didn't spend enough time looking for it. Elk are tough animals and even if you hit it with a 210 grain 300 rum there is not guarantee its going to fall in its tracks. I hunt with a 7mm rem mag and I shoot 168 bergers. Most animals i hit drop in there tracks. I had a cow elk a few years ago that ran hard on me. I was finding huge chunks of bone and blood like you cant believe. She still ran straight down the canyon about a half mile and got down into the nastiest cliff and dead fall I have ever seen. I don't see the need to blow a animal in half. Hell might as well shoot a .50 BMG. Nothing is going to run after its hit with that.
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Old 06-25-2013, 01:42 PM
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag load for Elk size game at 700 yards.

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My Brother shot a nice mule deer last year with his .50 cal muzzy. He hit it hard. Blew front shoulder out, Heart, and lungs. The deer still managed to bound 25 yards and piled up under a fell pine tree. There was small blood spots were it was standing but nothing else. He didn't see the deer go down after the shot because it dropped below his sight in the thick cover. It took us 3 hours searching every possible exit and track. We finally stumbled over it luckily. The deer had fallen under thick cover that even though we were standing 5 feet away we couldn't see it. Point is You probably killed your elk and didn't spend enough time looking for it. Elk are tough animals and even if you hit it with a 210 grain 300 rum there is not guarantee its going to fall in its tracks. I hunt with a 7mm rem mag and I shoot 168 bergers. Most animals i hit drop in there tracks. I had a cow elk a few years ago that ran hard on me. I was finding huge chunks of bone and blood like you cant believe. She still ran straight down the canyon about a half mile and got down into the nastiest cliff and dead fall I have ever seen. I don't see the need to blow a animal in half. Hell might as well shoot a .50 BMG. Nothing is going to run after its hit with that.
It's good to see someone who understands hunting....It's not always gonna be a dead in their tracks shot. Part of hunting is the tracking. I've shot whitetail deer with a 160gr Barnes dead in the shoulders and barely found any blood, and almost didn't find the deer. It's not necessarily the size of the game, or how good or bad your shot is. Sometimes things just don't go as planned. I have never shot an elk, but it is logical to think a 7mm 180gr VLD will knock a nice hole in an elk, traveling out of a big-bore 7mm like a 7mm STW, 7mm Dakota, or something like that, being that it's only 30gr lighter than a .308 210 or .338 210 and is way more aerodynamic and much higher BC than a .338 210gr bullet.

The 7mm 180gr Berger VLD has a G1 BC of .659. The Barnes TTSX 210 in .338 caliber has a G1 BC of .482.
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Old 06-25-2013, 02:56 PM
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag load for Elk size game at 700 yards.

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It's good to see someone who understands hunting....It's not always gonna be a dead in their tracks shot. Part of hunting is the tracking. I've shot whitetail deer with a 160gr Barnes dead in the shoulders and barely found any blood, and almost didn't find the deer. It's not necessarily the size of the game, or how good or bad your shot is. Sometimes things just don't go as planned. I have never shot an elk, but it is logical to think a 7mm 180gr VLD will knock a nice hole in an elk, traveling out of a big-bore 7mm like a 7mm STW, 7mm Dakota, or something like that, being that it's only 30gr lighter than a .308 210 or .338 210 and is way more aerodynamic and much higher BC than a .338 210gr bullet.

The 7mm 180gr Berger VLD has a G1 BC of .659. The Barnes TTSX 210 in .338 caliber has a G1 BC of .482.
Could not agree more. Some times we goof, some times equipment fails, some times the critter just won't give it up. it's how the hunter handles it that's important. I've seen bad shots on elk that was a hard hit at all just to have the elk lay down and die, seen speed goats go a long ways on nothing at all when by all rights they should have been DRT. My daughter followed a buck for over 2mi through the Missouri river breaks last year that left a painted trail of blood. How he went 20yrds was beyond me.
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Old 06-25-2013, 03:20 PM
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag load for Elk size game at 700 yards.

I have considered buying one of those primos blood tracking lights for that extra insurance policy. I have never used one so I am curious how well they work. Maybe when everything else fells there is always one more option.
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Old 06-25-2013, 03:33 PM
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag load for Elk size game at 700 yards.

Ive seen multiple bulls fall to a 7mm. And to make more of a point were talking Roosevelts, less rack but body of pure mass and muscle. It all comes back to bullet and placement. Ive personally never seen one drop at 700, but a good handful between 500-600 yards. They werent drt but tracking was not an issue. Put it in the bolier room or double lung no issue to worry about.
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag load for Elk size game at 700 yards.

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Could not agree more. Some times we goof, some times equipment fails, some times the critter just won't give it up. it's how the hunter handles it that's important. I've seen bad shots on elk that was a hard hit at all just to have the elk lay down and die, seen speed goats go a long ways on nothing at all when by all rights they should have been DRT. My daughter followed a buck for over 2mi through the Missouri river breaks last year that left a painted trail of blood. How he went 20yrds was beyond me.
I've used the same bullets and had to track them, and I've also used the same bullets and made the same shots, and had them either fall over dead, or damn-near do a barrel-roll and land on their other side.

Sometimes everything works perfectly, sometimes it doesn't.

If you were close enough a .257 Wby Mag with a 115 VLD should kill a bull elk with no problems....That's alot of velocity when it's moving 3300 fps... And that little .257 caliber pill will absolutely wreck their insides, like a blender blade went through them. My processor was in shock and awe when we cut open a doe I double-lung & heart shot with a 110 Accubond from my .257 Wby @ 100 yards. Little bitty entrance, little exit, but It looked like someone ran through it with a chainsaw on it's vitals. We may have had .5% meat loss....The only part ruined was the meat in a couple inch diameter circle around the entrance and exit wounds.

And sometimes a .338 Lapua doesn't kill them...

It's all about how the "stars align" when you take your shot. Sometimes it's perfect, sometimes something goes wrong. You never know till you pull the trigger.
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag load for Elk size game at 700 yards.

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My Brother shot a nice mule deer last year with his .50 cal muzzy. He hit it hard. Blew front shoulder out, Heart, and lungs. The deer still managed to bound 25 yards and piled up under a fell pine tree. There was small blood spots were it was standing but nothing else. He didn't see the deer go down after the shot because it dropped below his sight in the thick cover. It took us 3 hours searching every possible exit and track. We finally stumbled over it luckily. The deer had fallen under thick cover that even though we were standing 5 feet away we couldn't see it. Point is You probably killed your elk and didn't spend enough time looking for it. Elk are tough animals and even if you hit it with a 210 grain 300 rum there is not guarantee its going to fall in its tracks. I hunt with a 7mm rem mag and I shoot 168 bergers. Most animals i hit drop in there tracks. I had a cow elk a few years ago that ran hard on me. I was finding huge chunks of bone and blood like you cant believe. She still ran straight down the canyon about a half mile and got down into the nastiest cliff and dead fall I have ever seen. I don't see the need to blow a animal in half. Hell might as well shoot a .50 BMG. Nothing is going to run after its hit with that.
I suspect you are right in that I did not look long enough , my partner joined the search about noon and he convinced me to give up about 30 min before dark.

I still feel like I had a adequate setup with the 7 mag but man the elk I shot was the closest shot all week I had and after that one would have had to of been inside of the 500 yd mark.
I just feel better putting as much on a elk as I can shoot accurately.
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