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Old 03-11-2013, 11:19 PM
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag

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The 300 RUM is one of the most nastiest kicking rifles there is, especially with warm loads pushing 200+ gr bullets. I use a slip on recoil pad. Works very good. [quote]

I am hoping there is some sarcasm in there because that is not even close to being true. Maybe try a 338 rum or 375 rum you will see what recoil is. To the comment about Kirby and Shawn. Kirby has been here since 2004 not 2010 and I do not know when Shawn joined I want to say around 07. That is a far cry from 2010.
I’m also going to say I was on this site and shooting long range before it was cool and mainstream so I would park the attitude and insults since you have yet to give me any examples of game you have shot with your 300 win or answered the question if you have owned both and took game.





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A 308 caliber bullet weighing 215 gr going the same velocity as a 7mm bullet weighing 180 gr is going to cause significantly more damage than the smaller bullet. That's not an opinion, that's a fact, not opinion voodoo or magic.
I can tell you have a real lack of real world experience so let me enlighten you on some things. Just because the bore is bigger by again .024 of an inch and the bullet weight is 215 vs. 180 does not mean anything. What if the 215 has a heavier jacket that expands less and the 180 has a lighter jacket that expands more which is the very case between those two bullets? My 375 H&H is a perfect example with 300gr Barnes TSX's the bullet does less tissue damage on a deer than my 6mm-284 with 105 Berger’s. That kind of blows the bigger is going to do more damage theory out of the water. Bullet construction controls tissue damage plain and simple. So let’s do apples to apples since you seem to think your theory is correct. What about a 30 Cal 210 Berger vs. a 30 CAL 220 smk if they are both traveling at the same speed does the 220 win? If you have ever shot both into game you will find the 220 does not win because it does not expand as much. You will also find the 210 Berger expands more than the 215 because the 210 has softer jacket. So before you start talking out of your ass again and insulting people and claiming this and that you are not talking to a keyboard ninja you are talking to a person that has lots of experience killing animals with all kinds of calibers and bullets styles.
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Old 03-11-2013, 11:29 PM
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Re: 7mm Rem Mag

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The 300 RUM is one of the most nastiest kicking rifles there is, especially with warm loads pushing 200+ gr bullets. I use a slip on recoil pad. Works very good.
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I am hoping there is some sarcasm in there because that is not even close to being true. Maybe try a 338 rum or 375 rum you will see what recoil is. To the comment about Kirby and Shawn. Kirby has been here since 2004 not 2010 and I do not know when Shawn joined I want to say around 07. That is a far cry from 2010.
Iím also going to say I was on this site and shooting long range before it was cool and mainstream so I would park the attitude and insults since you have yet to give me any examples of game you have shot with your 300 win or answered the question if you have owned both and took game.







I can tell you have a real lack of real world experience so let me enlighten you on some things. Just because the bore is bigger by again .024 of an inch and the bullet weight is 215 vs. 180 does not mean anything. What if the 215 has a heavier jacket that expands less and the 180 has a lighter jacket that expands more which is the very case between those two bullets? My 375 H&H is a perfect example with 300gr Barnes TSX's the bullet does less tissue damage on a deer than my 6mm-284 with 105 Bergerís. That kind of blows the bigger is going to do more damage theory out of the water. Bullet construction controls tissue damage plain and simple. So letís do apples to apples since you seem to think your theory is correct. What about a 30 Cal 210 Berger vs. a 30 CAL 220 smk if they are both traveling at the same speed does the 220 win? If you have ever shot both into game you will find the 220 does not win because it does not expand as much. You will also find the 210 Berger expands more than the 215 because the 210 has softer jacket. So before you start talking out of your ass again and insulting people and claiming this and that you are not talking to a keyboard ninja you are talking to a person that has lots of experience killing animals with all kinds of calibers and bullets styles.
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:35 AM
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Oh boy, now we are in to wildcats...I'll get the popcorn

Seriously though, if we could spend this much time and anger with our politicians, we probably wouldn't have to worry about any of these gun laws coming to fruition! Just another of my basic thoughts, hahaha
You ain't lying! I said my piece, and I stopped posting on this thread. Glad I did when I did. Crap hit the fan on here. LOL
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Old 03-12-2013, 01:01 AM
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gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen, take'r easy. sorry about unburrying the hatchet here. I appreciate all your opinions. 1- im not worried about recoil. ive shot both the calibers of topic and and recoil doesnt bother me. however im adressing the recoil factor as per LR accuracy. if it is a matter of increasing accuracy by braking a .300 than i would consider it but if i can get away without braking a 7mag (which im sure i can) than it would be money saved as this rifle/scope will not be cheap... 2- what about the BC of the 7mag vs. .300? Even links to articles in this thread have proved that the numbers (at least from what i can understand) are very similar, not "the same" because they are not in fact exactly "the same" but about as close to "the same" as it gets. From what ive gathered the .300 has a slight advantage but i believe "splitting hairs" was the general consensus at some point...

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Agreed that a slight advantage is in fact an advantage and maybe that is the answer to my conundrum...haha
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Old 03-12-2013, 01:45 AM
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southpa,

The ballistics between the 7 and the 300 are basically identical. If we compare apples to apples, i.e., 180 hybrid to 215 hybrid to reasonably expected muzzle velocities, admittedly on the upper end, this is what you get (per post 11)

7mm RM 180 Hybrid, G7 BC .345, MV 2950
1000 yds Vel 1756, KE 1232, 5 MPH wind 4.5 MOA

300 WM 215 Hybrid. G7 BC .356. MV 2950
1000 yds Vel 1788, KE 1526, 5 MPH wind 4.4 MOA

The performance advantage of the 300 is it delivers a significantly larger bullet down range. Not a huge deal for smaller game, but for elk it's definitely an advantage.

As for the value of a brake, more pleasant shooting, ability to site hits and misses (a big deal in LR) and most will say increased accuracy. None of my rifles currently carry brakes but I have 2 in the works that will be cause of what I have learned here and actually shooting some with brakes. If you look at the pics of LR rifles on this site you will see probably more than 90% are equipped with brakes, there's a reason for that. Check out Kirby's gun porn thread. If you ask the experienced LR smiths and shooters about it, they will all steer you to a brake.

If you're serious about 1000 yd shooting of game, especially elk category, you might consider a larger Sendero cartridge like a RUM, especially if you decide to go with a brake. It will give you an edge over the 300 WM.
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Old 03-12-2013, 02:13 AM
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I WAS done, but I just have to post this, b/c of how stupid and off-topic this thread has gotten.

I want to appologise to the OP, for having a part in ruining his thread.

Elk must be quite hardcore beasts for you to need such a large bullet.

I guess the local outdoors store owner is a $100+ millionaire idiot.....He took a record elk a few years back at 647 yards with a custom built Rem 700 chambered in .257 Wby Mag with a 110gr Accubond. Man, he must have barely killed that thing, since you need 300gr SMK from a .338 Lapua to kill one beyond 750 yards....

And with that one, I'm out.

Also, you have been contradicting yourself again....In 2 different sentences you went from saying 7mm and 300 are "basically identical", then once you posted some sort data, you claim the 300 is "significantly larger", despite a, less than, 300 lbs of KE difference at 700 yards, and less than 25 fps difference...

Oh, and also, I'm pretty sure you told me specifically that KE didn't mean squat, but a few pages later, you used it as an arguement as to why the 300 is better.

And Dakor was right, it sure appears that you have 0 experience with ANY of this stuff. Anyone can quote data they find on the internet...

We've called your bluff.
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Old 03-12-2013, 02:38 AM
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I WAS done, but I just have to post this, b/c of how stupid and off-topic this thread has gotten.

I want to appologise to the OP, for having a part in ruining his thread.

Elk must be quite hardcore beasts for you to need such a large bullet.

I guess the local outdoors store owner is a $100+ millionaire idiot.....He took a record elk a few years back at 647 yards with a custom built Rem 700 chambered in .257 Wby Mag with a 110gr Accubond. Man, he must have barely killed that thing, since you need 300gr SMK from a .338 Lapua to kill one beyond 750 yards....

And with that one, I'm out.
Well.... almost out

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Also, you have been contradicting yourself again....In 2 different sentences you went from saying 7mm and 300 are "basically identical", then once you posted some sort data, you claim the 300 is "significantly larger"
Here we have another reading comprehension problem. I said the BALLISTICS was basically identical and THE DIFFERENCE was the SIZE of BULLET.

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, despite a, less than, 300 lbs of KE difference at 700 yards, and less than 25 fps difference...

Oh, and also, I'm pretty sure you told me specifically that KE didn't mean squat, but a few pages later, you used it as an arguement as to why the 300 is better.
Nope. Never said it didn't mean squat. Reading problems again. I said KE wasn't all there was to the killing factor.

Are you going to say that a 7mm 180 gr bullet is going to kill as well as a 308 215 grain bullet at the same velocity?

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And Dakor was right, it sure appears that you have 0 experience with ANY of this stuff. Anyone can quote data they find on the internet...

We've called your bluff.
I see your call and raise you a box of 215 hybrids
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