25AOD, are you saying I am lying about the velocity I got with my prior 6x284. I really hope not. I was getting between 3730 and 3750fps using the 87grn V-max. There were no signs of pressure, and I could have pushed it harder if I wanted to, however, I stoped because it was shooting .1 inch groups at 100 yards. I used 53grns of H4350, Lapua Brass, and 210Match primer to get that velocity and accuracy with the 87grn V-Max. I used a Nesika Model K, 1.470 Diameter Action, 30", 1-12 twist Krieger Barrel.