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Old 01-01-2014, 10:58 AM
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6.5-270wsm???

How do you guys feel about the viability of the 6.5-270wsm as a long range hunting round? Is it going to pack a bigger punch than the 6.5-284 Norma? What kind of success has been had with the 6.5-270wsm so far? Do you like the caliber?
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Old 01-01-2014, 12:15 PM
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Re: 6.5-270wsm???

Tikka Lover on here has one he calls the 6.5WTF he seems to love it
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Re: 6.5-270wsm???

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How do you guys feel about the viability of the 6.5-270wsm as a long range hunting round? Is it going to pack a bigger punch than the 6.5-284 Norma? What kind of success has been had with the 6.5-270wsm so far? Do you like the caliber?
The 6.5 WSM has about 10 gr more powder capacity than the 6.5-284, so it it will definitely pack a bigger punch. I am pushing 140 gr bullets close to 3400 FPS in a 27" nitrided barrel with RL33. The down side is it will have shorter barrel life than the 6.5-284... but you have to pay to play. I'm hoping to see a lot longer barrel life with the nitrided barrel.
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Re: 6.5-270wsm???

I have built a lot of them over the years. All have shot very well, no fireforming needed, no neck turning needed if you have your reamer set up properly.

All have been very easy to set up loads for and have shot very well.

Many will tell you its the full equal to the 264 Win Mag. That is not what I have found for the most part in my testing. That said, I have never used RL33 with the 6.5 WSM and from what I am seeing with that powder in my 300 AX and 338 AX, I can fully believe the results Mark is getting. Seems to add a good amount of performance to standard loads.

My best loads were in the 3100-3200 fps range with 140 gr SMK in the one personal 6.5mm WSM I owned with a 26" barrel length. Again, that was using H-1000 and with RL33, I suspect the numbers would be close to what Mark is seeing, at least over 3300 fps but I have no actual data to support that.

In my test results, actual performance falls much closer to the 6.5-06 AI then the 264 Win Mag with conventional powders. Still, not bad at all!!!

If your looking for a big game rifle and not a high volume shooting rifle, you could do much worse then a 6.5mm WSM especially if you wanted to play with a wildcat that was really easy to work with. Good all around chambering and to be honest, I was amazed that Winchester did not come out with this one with all the good 6.5mm bullets we have on the market today. When they came out with the 325 WSM, I almost passed out when I saw they decided to go with that one over the 6.5mm WSM or 338 WSM.

Good little wildcat to work with and legit 1K reach with best loads on medium big game.
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Old 01-03-2014, 11:34 AM
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Re: 6.5-270wsm???

My 6.5 WSM is based on the Norma 270wsm case, Personally I love the cartridge. The one caveat being, with the high BC long range bullets in the 6.5mm line-up, the COAL can be of concern.

I rock mine in a single shot setup just to avoid consuming powder space due to seating the relatively LONG 6.5 boolets deep into the powder column to achieve a COAL that will function from a SA magazine.

It can still be done though, with the usage of a Wyatt's extended box mag or similar.

I'm been experimenting with the Matrix 160VLD in mine as of late with a healthy dose of VV-N570, I've been able to get the 160's to 3100fps so far with zero pressure signs. My hopes are that 3150-3200-ish before she pressures out, time will tell.

My go to load right now is a 130grn CEB @ 3400fps. 1/3moa stupid, reliable accurate just as Kirby pointed out. I've been floored at how this cartridge digests pretty much anything you stuff into it... tiny groups are the norm. I recall ladder testing (for pressure mostly) when I started playing with the 160's... 3 rounds with a powder charge variation of 1.2 grains went into ~1" @ 415yds... That's pretty dern hard to beat in my book.


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The one caveat being, with the high BC long range bullets in the 6.5mm line-up, the COAL can be of concern.

I rock mine in a single shot setup just to avoid consuming powder space due to seating the relatively LONG 6.5 boolets deep into the powder column to achieve a COAL that will function from a SA magazine.

It can still be done though, with the usage of a Wyatt's extended box mag or similar.



Your right on with the COAL. With a standard short action, you can run into some pretty long lengths or deep seating to keep within the limits of the mag box. Of the rifles I have built for customers, about 70% were build on single shot sendero type rifle platforms, the other 30% or so were sporter rifles and in every case I used the 3.000" extended mag box from wyatts which work very well.

Seekins used to offer a longer WSM DM system but they tell me they are dropping that item from their production list due to low sales.

You guys are certainly getting higher velocity then I have been but that may well be the barrels also. Lilja 6.5mm barrels, which are what I have mostly used on the 6.5mm WSM, are very tight bored and certainly run on the lower end of the velocity average.

Again, if someone wants a high performance medium big game rifle or wants to start playing with high performance wildcats, this is a very hard one to beat. Very user friendly in just about every way.

The only area that can cause SOME issues is in feeding but if you get a factory receiver already set up for the WSM chamberings, or go with a custom receiver designed for these rounds, its not really a problem. If you take a standard receiver such as a Rem 700 short action with standard bolt face, it can be a bit tricky at times to get them to feed really well but it can be done. Best to start with a receiver designed for them and you will have MUCH fewer problems.

That said, a single shot has never given me any feeding problems!!! And for long range hunting, I have NEVER felt I was lacking with a quality single shot rifle.
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Re: 6.5-270wsm???

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Your right on with the COAL. With a standard short action, you can run into some pretty long lengths or deep seating to keep within the limits of the mag box. Of the rifles I have built for customers, about 70% were build on single shot sendero type rifle platforms, the other 30% or so were sporter rifles and in every case I used the 3.000" extended mag box from wyatts which work very well.

Seekins used to offer a longer WSM DM system but they tell me they are dropping that item from their production list due to low sales.

You guys are certainly getting higher velocity then I have been but that may well be the barrels also. Lilja 6.5mm barrels, which are what I have mostly used on the 6.5mm WSM, are very tight bored and certainly run on the lower end of the velocity average.
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3.000 should be doable, the CEB's are seated to 3.100 IIRC & the 160's just shorter I believe. I was SUPER disappointed with Seekins for discontinuing the WSM DM, that was just the ticket for cartridges like the 6.5WSM....

Keep in mind that my Obermeyer is ~30" That could help the velocity factor a bit.


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