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500 yd coyotes, 50 yd skunk.

 
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:55 AM
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Re: 500 yd coyotes, 50 yd skunk.

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Another vote for the 243. Tikka also gets my vote.
I am leaning towards the Tikka T3 Lite because I will be slinging it when I Nordic ski my property and head out to western North Dakota for some long range coyote hunts. So the .243 will be great for that, but I am just wondering if it will be too much gun for short range smaller predator hunting. I suppose I could just use my .22 Lr for those shots, but was hoping for an all purpose gun.
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:21 AM
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Re: 500 yd coyotes, 50 yd skunk.

I think it would be useful to have you define exactly what you mean by "too much gun."

Are you trying to save pelts? Are you concerned about overpenetration/ricochets? It is not clear why too much gun would be a problem on smaller predators at close range.

I don't know if this is relevant, but I emptied a marauding racoon's skull a couple of years ago with a 22-250 and a 52g AMAX at less than 15 yards. The bullet came apart and showed no signs of an exit.

I doubt very much that a 58g VMAX from a .243 would behave any differently in that scenario. However, the .243 would definitely give better performance at 500 yards using heavier bullets.

I think the 22-250 would work for what you want, but I would recommend that you look for a rifle with a twist no slower than 1:12 (1:14 is more common).

IMO, the .243 would be a better all around choice.
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:33 AM
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Re: 500 yd coyotes, 50 yd skunk.

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I think it would be useful to have you define exactly what you mean by "too much gun."

Are you trying to save pelts? Are you concerned about overpenetration/ricochets? It is not clear why too much gun would be a problem on smaller predators at close range.

I don't know if this is relevant, but I emptied a marauding racoon's skull a couple of years ago with a 22-250 and a 52g AMAX at less than 15 yards. The bullet came apart and showed no signs of an exit.

I doubt very much that a 58g VMAX from a .243 would behave any differently in that scenario. However, the .243 would definitely give better performance at 500 yards using heavier bullets.

I think the 22-250 would work for what you want, but I would recommend that you look for a rifle with a twist no slower than 1:12 (1:14 is more common).

IMO, the .243 would be a better all around choice.
By saying "too much gun" I was reffering to ricochet and noise, as well as recoil. Not saying a .243 has too much recoil, but i am used to my .22 for smaller game. Obviously my lack of load knowledge is in play here, so I am glad to see that there are so many options for different scenarios.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:28 AM
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Re: 500 yd coyotes, 50 yd skunk.

Some time, just for sh!*$ and giggles, check out the ammo shelf at a Cabela's, Bass Pro, or similar store to see the wide array of ammo available for the .243. I personally have factory ammo that runs the gamut from 87g SST's @ 2800 fps to 58g VMAX @ 3900+fps. I don't know of any other cartridge that offers that kind of range in factory ammo.

It is interesting that you mention noise as a factor in your choice. Though the .243 may recoil slightly more than a .22 centerfire, I don't think it will be any noisier. The various .22 centerfires from .223 on up, for some reason, have always seemed to me to be much louder than they ought to be. I've never understood why that is.
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:30 PM
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Re: 500 yd coyotes, 50 yd skunk.

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Some time, just for sh!*$ and giggles, check out the ammo shelf at a Cabela's, Bass Pro, or similar store to see the wide array of ammo available for the .243. I personally have factory ammo that runs the gamut from 87g SST's @ 2800 fps to 58g VMAX @ 3900+fps. I don't know of any other cartridge that offers that kind of range in factory ammo.

It is interesting that you mention noise as a factor in your choice. Though the .243 may recoil slightly more than a .22 centerfire, I don't think it will be any noisier. The various .22 centerfires from .223 on up, for some reason, have always seemed to me to be much louder than they ought to be. I've never understood why that is.
Guess I have never really thought about the difference in noise too much, but do know that the DPMS AR .223 I have used was super loud with its muzzle break. And it was left handed and I am right so that may have something to do with it.
Anyhow thanks for all the advice. I think I will go for the .243 and use the factory rounds to start. I read about the Leupold V-Max 6 series and it sounds like a great near and far range scope. Pricey I know but I plan on owning this setup for life and don't mind saving a little longer to really get what I want. Any advice on glass? I reall y like the Swaro Z3, but $$$.
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