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Old 01-10-2010, 04:09 PM
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Re: 338win vs 300win vs 300ultra

I really liked the Sierra 215grn boattail soft point. Worked really well to take a couple of deer down with a quickness. The speed at which you can push it and its weight will work well in semi heavy brush. It will definately kill a deer and a moose at 500yrds. If you want heavier, then go with the 250 Round nose or the 250 SPBT. Just a thought. The .338WM is one of my favorite calibers.

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Old 01-10-2010, 04:45 PM
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Re: 338win vs 300win vs 300ultra

Easthunter, don't want to assume too much but, I get the impression your hunting is somewhere in the Eastern US of which I'm fairly familar with...Not surprising you get looks when you mention 338WM...not that frequently used or IMHO-needed in the East. But, to each his own and if that's what you want then get it but, even with a 338WM if shot placement isn't good then plan on tracking...bigger doesn't always compensate for that. Personally for the game in the east and the yardage your talking about the 300WM with decent shot placement is highly effective. Just to let you know there are folks in the west that wouldn't have issue with using a 300WM on elk and deer with good shot placement out to 800 yards...I agree it's good head pain to have.
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Old 01-10-2010, 05:04 PM
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Re: 338win vs 300win vs 300ultra

Lets talk long range {600-1000yds} I took Shawn Carlocks long range shooting class this last summer, [DefensiveEdge.com] I use a Remington 700 300RUM, 26" stainless, muzzle brake, laminated stock, 210 grn Berger VLD bullets, 91 grns H1000. Scope: Kniteforce 3.5x15NXS/NPR1

Rifle is off the shelf, I floted the barrel. Shot my first long range Elk this last Nov @ 892yd.

I couldnt afford a custom rifle but took the time to find a load that shot well in my rifle and it works well.

I have a 300 win mag in a mdl 700 and it also shoots well, but with the muzzle brake the 300RUM kicks like a 308. That is my choice of elk and big game gun now. Remember the best shooting rifle is the one you are comfortable shooting and shoot well with it.
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Old 01-10-2010, 05:04 PM
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Re: 338win vs 300win vs 300ultra

Chas, my guess is that EastHunter is from East Canada. I agree with with your overall assessment except when it comes to shooting moose. A 300 WM will sure get the job done, but a 338 WM will sure put a lot more of them down in their tracks than a 300.

EastHunter, I looked at the Federal ammo site and checked the balisitcs of the 338 WM and 300 WM. Both are only good to about 450-500 yds because they run out of speed at those distance. The bullets need 1800 fps to expand and 400-500 yds is where they drop below that speed. If you want tio drop moose in their tracks, go with the 338 and who cares what looks you get. They can look at your dead moose. That's my $.02, US

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Old 01-10-2010, 06:02 PM
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Re: 338win vs 300win vs 300ultra

Long Time Lone Ranger posted this about the 338WM-"In my opinion it is best suited shooting the 225 AB at 2950 fps. My longest shot with it was a moose at 1100 yards. My opinion is this cartridge is best suited inside of 800 yards and within that range the slow heavy bullets do not justify there use when compared to the 225 AB."

MontanaRifleman posted this "If I were developing an elk load in a 300 WM I would start with 180 E-Tips and 200 AB's. The 165's should do OK, but the heavier bullets will do a little better. The bigger the better, especially for elk. If you really want to use the 165's, go for it, but why use a smaller bullet? Most imoprtant factor is which bullet shoots best in your rifle.

H4831sc should work well. I would try Retumbo for heavier bullets if you decide to use them.

One question... why limit yourself to 400 yds? With a little practice 600 or more is fairly easy.

Good hunting,

Easthunter, search LRH and you'll see for yourself that 300wm is accepted as effective out to 800 yards and 338 wm with good shot placement...now that maybe with a custom rig with long barrels, high BC bullets and pet loads, and exacting shots...but this is LRH.
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Old 01-10-2010, 06:45 PM
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Long Time Lone Ranger posted this about the 338WM-"In my opinion it is best suited shooting the 225 AB at 2950 fps. My longest shot with it was a moose at 1100 yards. My opinion is this cartridge is best suited inside of 800 yards and within that range the slow heavy bullets do not justify there use when compared to the 225 AB."

MontanaRifleman posted this "If I were developing an elk load in a 300 WM I would start with 180 E-Tips and 200 AB's. The 165's should do OK, but the heavier bullets will do a little better. The bigger the better, especially for elk. If you really want to use the 165's, go for it, but why use a smaller bullet? Most imoprtant factor is which bullet shoots best in your rifle.

H4831sc should work well. I would try Retumbo for heavier bullets if you decide to use them.

One question... why limit yourself to 400 yds? With a little practice 600 or more is fairly easy.

Good hunting,

Easthunter, search LRH and you'll see for yourself that 300wm is accepted as effective out to 800 yards and 338 wm with good shot placement...now that maybe with a custom rig with long barrels, high BC bullets and pet loads, and exacting shots...but this is LRH.
Chas, All the above is true. In EastHunter's case, It sounds to me like 500 yds will be his max range and his priority is dropping moose as quick as possible. He is also using factoring ammo and I'm guessing in the 1000' altitude ball park. Most factory ammo uses low BC bullets and the loads will not match handloads tailored by most LT hunters, especially at lower altitudes. My guess is that in his neck of the woods, the ammo he can get will likely be Fed SP's, Partitons, Rem corelocts, etc. And he really doent need much more for 500 yd shooting. So with a factrory rifle shooting factory ammo, 400-500 yds is about the limit both ballisitically and probably accuracy.

Cheers,

Mark
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Old 01-10-2010, 07:21 PM
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Re: 338win vs 300win vs 300ultra

Given those inputs I'd tend to agree, factory ammo, factory rig, humidity, altitude, skill level...do tend to add up or should I say subtract. I'm usually inclined to approach things from a...optimal equipment/conditions mindset. Take care.

Chas
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