When you get up here I'll let you toss a few downrange with my Brother's 338/378 WBY with the 300 grainers, you'll see I'm not joking.
I've said this on here before but, my Brother's 18 year old girlfriend, maybe 100 lbs, wet, she fired it on out to 900 yards 9 times from the box of my 6-wheeler off the bipod. She hit everything she shot until she got out to 900 yards, then she was only just inches away from this stick she was shooting at on the sand bar below us. She was close enough to kill a Moose every shot she fired. The only gun she'd ever fired in her life I believe was a 30-30 once before. She'd of kept on shooting if he'd of had more ammo, heck, she just kept on blasting away.
Ya see, I think she just never had anyone tell her it was a BIG cartridge, after all, the case was the same size as my 416 WBY??? I asked her if she wanted to shoot the 416 and with that she replied; "HELL NO! I see how hard that thing kicks!" [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
The problem I have with the big boomers is not when I am shooting off a bipod or on the bench it is when I am kneeling or off hand. All my scopes right now have a 3 inch eye Relief but when you crank them up to 20 X you get about 2.5 inches so even my 300 will kiss me sometimes I have had many people watch me shoot off hand to see what I am doing wrong but everyone says it looks like I am holding the rifle the way I should. [img]images/icons/confused.gif[/img] But when I hold my rifles I do not grip the gun real tight either because I move to much I just relax my shoulders and let the recoil surprise me. I guess I probably need a 4 inch eye relief that way the scope would not touch me once and a while and I would not really care what the recoil is. I shoot 3 inch 1 once slugs in my 870 and that does not bother me but I dont have to worry about a scope either. Anyone one have any suggestions? or a scope to reccommend? I might just need more practice off hand as I shoot with a rest most of the time.
I've shot a lot with my 338 RUM without any muzzlebrake. My rifle is a Custom Win pre'64, SS, with a laminated classic stock on it. And with a Conquest 3,5-10x44 #4 on it, it weights approx.4,5kg. I mostly shoot 250 grainers at approx. 3000f/s, and thats a good hunting load. I dont have any brakes on any of my "heavy" rifles. (460wby, 416 Taylor, or the 338 RUM)I mostly uses them for hunting, and my hearing is bad enough as is already. And ONE shoot with that muzzlebrake, and not using earprotecters wil be fatal for me. I have installed the Pachmayr Triple Mag.X recoil absorber on the rifle and that helped alot. I shoot it prone, kneeling, sitting, of hand, and in the bench. But it would be a great lie to say that it dont kick, but not worse than the 460. [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]
It takes some shoot praticing, and then its ok.
I've shot a lot with a Sako TRG-S to, chambered for 338 Lapua (no brake), and that rifle transfers recoil wonderfully without any surprises. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]
I love the 338 RUM!! It's deliver a great deal of power downrange, and has a super accuracy with almost everything I feed it with. I havent tried the 300grs MK's yet, but I will soon.
The first season I've used the rifle in hunting was last fall, and I shot 3 mooses, one roedeer, and one beaver with it. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
You're getting pounded if you hold it loose, plain and simple, not to mention it's likely recoiling inconsistantly. I shoulder mine firm, but not excessively firm, something a call on the looser side.
If you're close to getting whacked in a kneeling or off-hand position, I'd say your holding TOO loose, you really should have less of an issue in those positions. Relaxing your upper body will only make this much worse and the gap between your eye and scope will close rapidly instead of moving with the rifle and maintaining most of the space between them.
I'm sure 460 WBY would tell you what would happen touching off a round in his boomer holding it loose and relaxed.
I squated down to shoot my 416 WBY over a chrono a few times here at the house. I had just got the trigger re-worked and after the third shot I was getting ready to touch another one off it went off just a skosh before I was prepared! I almost went back on my ***** and lost hold of the rifle as it went over me. With 60 some foot pounds of recoil in that 11 lb. rifle, the only difference was a loose hold at the moment the trigger broke. I could probably duplicate that on vidio for you but don't want to! [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
Brent I would like to see that [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] I tried to shoot from the hip one time at some clays with my 12 gauge it works good with trap loads then I tried a 3inch BB Goose load and the gun ended up doing cart wheels be hind me [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] I was some what smart I guess because I only put the one shell in it. Like I said I probably need more practice off hand wich I was planning on doing anyway. Now I shot a 375 H&H yesterday with 270 gr handloads in a 10lbs gun. The gun has recoil but it didnt feel like a sharp kick like a typical magnum. Is this pretty close to what a 338 Ultra would feel like in a 11 lbs rifle with 225? I suppose it is going to have a sharp kick because of the 30 degree shoulder? What would be the Minimum Eye relief you would go with?
I've shot a couple of rounds with the 375H&H, and I think the 338 RUM has a faster, snappier recoil than the 375.
And I would prefer to have a scope with not much less than 4" of eyerelief, and fix it so far forward that you have to push the rifle hard into your shoulder to have a clear view trough the scope. Then your shoulder has to break before you get the kiss.
(I think Leupolds scopes are fine. They make a clean cut in your forehead, so the doctor has no problem sewing it together again!) [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]
I never have been cut or wore a Magnum Eye brow just a little nudge every once and a while [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] I am sure I will get *%$! for this but I really dont like the Leupold scopes I have had some trouble with some of them I have owned and I have had a few of them. I have been looking at the Bushnell 3200 Elite 5-15 with the firefly looks pretty sweet and has 4.3 inches of Eye Relief I might have to try one out. As for breaking my shoulder I think a 416 with a 400gr bullet would do that [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]