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Old 09-24-2013, 08:17 AM
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Re: 338 Allen Xpress, RL33 load development

Those are some great results and really gets me looking forward to trying RL33 in my 300 AX with the same 230 gr Bergers.

As far as ES goes. I think there have been ALOT of good loads passed over simply because the ES numbers are a bit higher then most would want. I have never been one to get real hung up on extremely tight ES numbers. You hear guys bragging about their single digit ES and while its certainly not a bad thing to have very low ES numbers, in my experience, even at long range shooting and hunting, as long as your ES is under 40 fps, you can get extremely good results down range as your target at 700 yards clearly shows. I would say your ES had zero effect on your rifles accuracy at that range.

Have always found that if someone wants to tighten up their groups at long range, get a good scope level, USE IT!! And sort bullets by baring surface length. Have found this to have as much if not more effect on down range group size(vertical) then even bullet weight.

Again, I like to have ES in the 20s but I am alright with 30 fps and I have seen MANY 40 fps ES loads hold well under 1 moa at 1000 yards from field shooting positions. Other variables, such as shooting position and environmental conditions generally will have MUCH more effect on your down range group size then ES ever will.

To the extreme, I have a Ruger M77MkIIVT that I rebarreled to 22-6mm AI and twisted to shoot the 75-80 gr match bullets. Extreme spread is usually in the 60 fps range but that load will print 1/4 moa at 500 yards and has shot several 1/2 moa groups at 1/2 mile......

Again, I think a lot of GOOD loads have been passed up because their ES numbers were in the 30-40 fps range.
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Old 09-24-2013, 08:37 AM
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Re: 338 Allen Xpress, RL33 load development

I am a firm believer in putting faith in groups above numbers spit out from an imperfect measuring device. Where the bullets go after all is what is all about.
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Old 09-24-2013, 09:19 AM
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Re: 338 Allen Xpress, RL33 load development

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I am a firm believer in putting faith in groups above numbers spit out from an imperfect measuring device. Where the bullets go after all is what is all about.
Well said!
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Old 09-24-2013, 06:21 PM
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Re: 338 Allen Xpress, RL33 load development

Is the step up in performance rl33 seems to bringing to the table only usable in large capacity magnums? Would magnums like 7rm-.300wm possibly benefit as well or is the cases to small? Same question for short magnums as well?
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Old 09-24-2013, 10:50 PM
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Re: 338 Allen Xpress, RL33 load development

With very heavy bullets it may work well in the 7mm Rem Mag and 300 Win Mag but with standard weight bullets I would think it would be on the slow side and you would run out of capacity before pressures got up to where we really would want them.

Would be the same with the WSMs.
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Old 09-24-2013, 11:36 PM
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Re: 338 Allen Xpress, RL33 load development

Wow cool thread Kirby. I will have to try RL33. A local gun shop had some in stock and I have access to an 8 lb jug as well. I want to try the 300 RUM load usng the 230 bergers at 3200+. That sounds awesome! Have you guys seen a big improvement in the 338 Lapua as well? Thanks

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Old 09-24-2013, 11:50 PM
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Re: 338 Allen Xpress, RL33 load development

The 338AX being an improved version of the 338 lapua you should see roughly the same improvement's I'd imagine.
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