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308 vs 30-06 and other rounds? WHY is a 308 better?!?

 
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Old 11-28-2009, 11:14 PM
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Re: 308 vs 30-06 and other rounds? WHY is a 308 better?!?

I agree with Michael, (and the others), I've roasted barrels in my 257wby after a disappointing 900 rounds, (hot loads), and I have to rebarrel and work up another load for a new barrel all over again. But the Rem 788 .308 that my dad left me just keeps going and going. The same load has shot the same groups for thousands of rounds. The 308 is not the best at anything other than being a great shooting, accurate, cheap round. They're great.
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Old 11-28-2009, 11:30 PM
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Re: 308 vs 30-06 and other rounds? WHY is a 308 better?!?

My user name is a dead give away for where I stand on this one. I will conceed the 308 has proven to have better long range target accuracy. Under match conditions the wind and drop can be adjusted for shot after shot unlike hunting.

However the 06 will push a 200 grain bullet at the same velocity that a 308 can push a 180 grain bullet, or an 06 can push a 180 grain bullet at the velocity a 308 pushes a 165 grain bullet etc.

When you take into the account the improved BC I feel the 06 would actually have better accuracy than the 308 on that first shot when estimating environment conditions. I would think that the wind drift and enviromental factors would play a bigger role than any inherant accuracy advantage the 308 holds over the 06. Not to mention the 06 would hit a good bit harder on game.

Quality and cost of brass are the same laupa, norma etc and you will be hardpressed to find an 06 hunting rifle with the barrel burned out.

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Old 11-29-2009, 06:43 AM
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Re: 308 vs 30-06 and other rounds? WHY is a 308 better?!?

308 isn't "better."

I like the longer action so when I upgrade I really can upgrade.

This is LRH; a 30-06 goes further. And it is 3 to 400 fps faster.

Many will point out more sniper kills but in the same breath note the the 30-06 isn't used anymore.
More people use 308 in matches because of the "inherent accuracy". As proof they'll note more wins over the 30-06.

You see where I am going with the last 2, right?

Side note: I have been ridiculed in this fourm because my 30-30 can only effectively shoot out to, (now,) 550 yards with the FTX bullets. My 30-30 is always set against a 338 Edge or a 300 Winchester Magnum, why is the 308 held to such low standards? ;)
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Old 11-29-2009, 11:48 AM
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Re: 308 vs 30-06 and other rounds? WHY is a 308 better?!?

The .308 is a good cartridge, I use one for 75% of my deer hunting, accurate, powerful enough and I really like my short action bolt. Having said this, were I to own just one rifle, the 30-06 would be it. The versatility of the '06 can't be argued with.
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Re: 308 vs 30-06 and other rounds? WHY is a 308 better?!?

First let me say I really enjoy reading threads where there are differing opinions. Not only is it interesting but I usually learn something as well. With that said, BEST CHOICE-it all boils down to the individuals criteria. For purposes of this discussion once the criteria has been defined then the choice is clear. Although sometimes the criteria may not have been defined enough resulting in a tie. In which case, define further. For example let say my criteria is as follows:

Caliber-.308
Bullet choices-many
Availability-Usually
Expense-Reasonable

So far both meet the criteria so you have to define until tie is broke. So lets say it needs to be a short action and if your satisfied that you have defined your criteria enough the the BEST choice would be the 308. Or maybe you want a long action and if your satisfied that you have defined your criteria enough the the BEST choice would be the 30-06.

Moral to the story-when you have a general conscensus such as was eluded to by the original post you will often find a general conscensus on the their criteria. Should something significant change you could see penjillum swing in the opposite direction and rather quickly. History is full of examples.
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Re: 308 vs 30-06 and other rounds? WHY is a 308 better?!?

In my thinking the 308 became more popular with the military changing from the 30/06 to 308 and the avaiability of match ammo and brass in 308 from the military.
The 308 and 30/06 ballistically the same to 600 yards then the 30/06 may or my not be better depending on if the 30/06 in factory load, or if hand loaded the 30/06 can be much better with different bullets weights and high BC bullets.
Any thoughts
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Re: 308 vs 30-06 and other rounds? WHY is a 308 better?!?

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Originally Posted by Chas1 View Post
First let me say I really enjoy reading threads where there are differing opinions. Not only is it interesting but I usually learn something as well. With that said, BEST CHOICE-it all boils down to the individuals criteria. For purposes of this discussion once the criteria has been defined then the choice is clear. Although sometimes the criteria may not have been defined enough resulting in a tie. In which case, define further. For example let say my criteria is as follows:

Caliber-.308
Bullet choices-many
Availability-Usually
Expense-Reasonable

So far both meet the criteria so you have to define until tie is broke. So lets say it needs to be a short action and if your satisfied that you have defined your criteria enough the the BEST choice would be the 308. Or maybe you want a long action and if your satisfied that you have defined your criteria enough the the BEST choice would be the 30-06.

Moral to the story-when you have a general conscensus such as was eluded to by the original post you will often find a general conscensus on the their criteria. Should something significant change you could see penjillum swing in the opposite direction and rather quickly. History is full of examples.

I like this theory. Perspective of criteria is a much better way to discern which caliber to chose. I champion the .308 for training purposes due to recoil. I have shot plenty of 06's and they kill me. That's just me... recoil is subjective. But if you think about it, the first sniper rifle of the world wars in the American arsenal was a 1903 bolt action Springfield with optics. Soooooo, again we go back to application. I think Gunny Hathcock would argue the 30-06's ability for accuracy. But also there are a lot of new snipers that would argue for the .308. 30-06 effective range with military ammo for sniping purposes... 1200yrds, 308...1000yrds, have people shot further to save lives with either caliber? Priceless!!!!

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