I am spending a lot of time looking for the ideal package.:( It seems every time I get set on a rifle I end up finding a\ someone pointing out something is better.
Here are my choices. Brother in law has a new unused weatherby 338 with a great Leuopold scope 2 boxes of ammo $1000.
online there is and an unlimited supply of custom semi custom and various styles of 308.
I was turned onto 300 WSM becuase of longer reach and flatter trajectory...
Here is what I want to do.
I want to hunt and be lethal at the longest possible range. I thought that range was 1000 yards... but.. a lot of arguing goes on when you dare say you want to take a deer at 1000 yards. Not sure that I wll have an opportunity to but....want the option.
I also want to compete in long range... so that is why I liked the 300 WSM lethal to 1000 yards but legal for Shooting competitions...
308 is supposed to be enough for both but hunting limits tend to be inside of 600 yards. 300 wsm is supposed to be both but not as flexible for ranges etc...
what to do what to do???? The 338 is available but I am told it kicks to hard, will destroy the meat.. and does not even fit into competition...
sooo HELLLLP!:confused: what to do?
Budget is fairly flexible but I am looking for .5moa or better from one gun... not 2 guns...
Well assuming that the 338 is a 338 Win mag on the Mark-V action you could have it rechambered to 338Edge and shoot out to 1000yds on elk if the chance came up !! but thats gonna cost a couple hundred dollars more than the $1000 hes asking , still a good deal. If the gun is the
33-378 then that is a big cannon and would be all thats needed.
as for the 300WSM vs the 308 , well the 300 WSM is gonna win every fight they get into ballisticaly , but the barrel is gonna wear out faster , the ammo cost more , it kicks harder , but for deer at 1000yds its a better gun that the 308 if you can shoot it.
Any particular reason that your wanting just the 308 or 300WSM? , look at the ballistics between the 300WSM shooting a 210gr Berger and the 280 Ackley shooting s 162 gr A-max , the 280 wins the drop and wind drift and still has plenty of thump to kill deer at 1K all this with less recoil , and decient barrel life. Hell my 260 with 140 gr bullets has more thump and way flatter trajectory and way less wind drift than the 308 with 175 gr Match Kings and kicks less.
If you look around you can find some used guns for a decient price that guys built just to kill deer at 1000yds , it doesen't take a cannon shooting a spear at 4000fps , but it helps. The 7mm Rem mag , 300 win mag , 280 and 280 ackley all will shoot reliabily to 1000yds and have enought power to cleanly kill deer.
I suggest spending much time browsing this site, especially the basics and starting out section. Put a lot of time into learning the characteristics of the rifles, cartridges, bullets, etc., that you are considering and your choice will be easier. You cannot accomplish your long range goals without knowing your equipment expertly anyway. Also, if you rush into your decision, you may not be happy with it six months down the road. I think you would do well to get a good factory rifle in a middle of the road caliber, learn to load for it well enough to make it shoot sub M.O.A. groups, and then use it until the perfect gun becomes obvious. What do you currently hunt, and what implements do you use? How long have you been hunting?
Thanks for the comments.
I hunt white tail in northern NY adirondacks Farm land
I have enough experience to know that so far shooting 200 yards with a 280, scoped and off hand offers little challenge... I was hunting hand gun iron sights to add some degree of difficulty but that got me every deer I shot at including a slow walking deer at 150 yards. 45LC with corbon plus P ammo.
Bottom line I will spend more time on a range but do not want to own 2 guns or trade them up every year or so...or at least it I don't think I will
300wsm ballistics beat a 308 for terminal velocity and accuracy and I have heard its kick is "not too bad" I wanted a 300 or 308 so I can shoot competition meets at 1000 yards...
the 308 has little kick I understand... but I also hear that kick is all relative.......
sooo with that said...I am also looking for ammo that I can re load and that is relatively common to find.... the 338 was a Mark V as you stated with a great scope... adding a couple hundred to blue print is not an issue either... BUt I am told it kicks worse than a 300 wsm or 300 wm...
when you speak of barrel life how many rounds are you talking about? 500? 1000?
I thought I would get about 100 replies on this sight... I mentioned shooting a deer at 1000 yards on a long range target sight and got harassed for days... :eek: but a lot of talk.. with little/ few suggestions...
I will look up a 338 edge and see what it is all about.
Looks like you have gotten excellant advice so far!!
Thought I would throw out my experiences and maybe they would help you along as well.
I shoot .308 and 300WSM rifles almost exclusively. I don't have the budget nor do I see the open country to use anything "bigger". I admire those that do and can!!
I rely most on the 300WSM for my elk hunting although I use it for deer and hogs as well on occasion. My first elk was a cow taken at 685 yards in CO.
I used 150gn TSX which are accurate in my Remy 700 off the shelf gun. You have to load your own and experiment with seating depth to find the sweet spot. As for as kick or recoil, it is a little more then a .308 but not a sharp uncomfortable recoil. Even off the bench and bags it is manageable. BTW, I am not a big (5-9, 180) or young guy (52) and I can shoot it as long as I have ammo!! As for as barrel life, I don't have a clue I know I have shot mine around 150 times in 2 years mostly at the range, as all the animals I have taken have been 1 shot DRT's. I may buy a spare barrel, as I see new take offs for less then $100 all the time. I would expect the barrel to be shorter then the .308's, as it pushes that 150 grain at at 3200fps plus.
My .308's are both in Remy 600 and 700 models and I have a few FAL's, none of them give me a problem with recoil. The 700 is a "mountain rifle", lightweight with a 21" tube. I consider both of the .308 bolt guns to be backups for my CO trips, but I don't consider them to be in the "range" of the 300WSM. The 600 has a muzzle blast that is a experience!!
I don't shoot any true competitions, so I can be of no help there. My only reccomendation is to buy all the scope you can afford, finding one that will have a "true" zero can be a adventure! I went fairly cheap there and have been lucky that it holds its zero and is repeatable.
A buddy uses a .300 RUM, and sees a lot more velocity then the .300wsm, of course he burns a lot more powder!
Maybe get a hold of your friends and shoot their guns to find your limit on the recoil you want to deal with and then choose from there.
i am leaning to the 300wsm again.
I tend to have a higher tolerance for all things that go bang... (shoot 45LC magnum like rounds from a pistol with western style wood grips and will shoot it as long as my money holds out...)
rifles? Kick is what it is. I am 40, about 6-1 and a bit lighter than you but know darn well when I take a 1000 yard shot at anything I will be on the ground with a bi pod or other support... so I am not concerned with recoil there as it will have to pass through most of my body prone vs knocking my shoulder while standing up... sooo...
thanks again... I must admit I tend to over do anything with when it comes to power. :o
I am financing this gun by selling off a 1000 CC Italian sport bike...:( but my knees and family time suggest a gun is better for me... cuz the kids will also be getting a rifle (trifecta) to shoot with me... the wife too... shooting is about to become a family affair. 1000 cc was more than I ever needed but it looked so damn cool and had a ground thumping sound (over do it. you see?)
I need a hobby where it keeps me home (reloading) and all of us at the range together... theory works for me anyhow.
I have hunted with a lot of calibers, from .223,243, 30-06,7 mag,300 wm, You will not be dissapointed with the 300 wsm .. I have not delved into the 338s or greater for one reason.. The 300 wsm is... acurate,accurate,accurate, factory ammo is available and reasonable, it kills dead,dead,dead. It is forgiving, if you hit back, or low inside the ribs. It is fast, and to me , A guy with the same frame, does not kick..but that goes back to my hunting with various calibers..Kind Regards..