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Old 01-01-2008, 02:09 PM
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Forget the energy figures. It is pentration into the vitals that kill. I have killed Grizzly with a handgun without a problem and a handgun pales in comparisdon to the energy of a rifle. As long as you have enough velocity for the bullet to perform as designed and the bullet is applied to the correct location death will soon follow...
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Old 01-01-2008, 02:25 PM
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FWIW,
A good friend of mine went up to BC this past fall on a moose/grizzly bear hunt. He used his 300 Win Mag with 180 gr TSX bullets to take a 60" bull moose at 362 yds and a B&C Grizzly bear at 374 yds. 1 shot each.

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FWIW,
A good friend of mine went up to BC this past fall on a moose/grizzly bear hunt. He used his 300 Win Mag with 180 gr TSX bullets to take a 60" bull moose at 362 yds and a B&C Grizzly bear at 374 yds. 1 shot each.

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It's that simple use that right bullet and stick in the correct location ='s Trophy
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Old 01-01-2008, 03:18 PM
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UncleB,

Sorry to say, a new rifle/caliber is not an option at this time. It's taking everything I've got just to make the hunt.

My 30-06 Ackley Imp is developing from 2620 to 2880 fps with the Nosler 200 Accubond depending upon which load I settle on.
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Old 01-01-2008, 03:28 PM
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Forget the energy figures. It is pentration into the vitals that kill. I have killed Grizzly with a handgun without a problem and a handgun pales in comparisdon to the energy of a rifle. As long as you have enough velocity for the bullet to perform as designed and the bullet is applied to the correct location death will soon follow...
Ah, a possible answer to my dilema. I forgot the velocity issue. Nosler's site says 1800 fps is minimum for expansion. Playing devil's advocate, going w/ 1900 fps at my lowest 2623 fps for the 200 AB, a max of around 570 yds is a likely maxium distance. That is totally w/in reason.

Differinging opionions?
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Old 01-01-2008, 03:47 PM
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ive read a few hunting books by a few pretty big name guys. many have written on the best range to take ol griz, and more than 1 have said that farther than 75 and closer than 250 is ideal. any closer than 75 and he will be on you in 6 strides, and any farther than 250 and you have the issue of inaccuracy and lessened impact energy, along with the low possibility of a good follow up shot, putting you in a pretty sticky situation of trackin mr. griz into a hole in the brush without many holes in him. he can get pretty grumpy up close, and anything short of a 454casull in hand could be called irresponsible.

just a thought. sometimes theres good reason to pass up the longer shots other than just ethics.... he might be able to eat you when u get there

oh, and i vote for the partition
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Old 01-01-2008, 06:56 PM
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I've shot quite a number of bears, including browns, grizzlies, and blacks. The prior post covers a consideration I completely agree with. After a bear has been hit, it will generally continue to scramble until it reaches cover or dies. They don't typically offer high percentage follow-up shots on non-fatal hits. If they reach cover and haven't been hit pretty darn good, they don't leave a great blood trail, and they're tough animals that can motor long distances through the ugly stuff. Unlike deer, moose, caribou, sheep, goats, etc..., which will often stop and look around after being hit, bears head out for the safety of cover, and then continue to put distance between themselves and danger. Perhaps because their eyesight isn't the greatest, they don't stop to look the country over like other animals more dependant on their sight for survival.

So if you're confident you can place a fatal first shot hit on the bear at longer distances, I don't believe you'll have any trouble killing your bear with your '06 provided your bullet has sufficient remaining velocity to expand upon impact.

My primary advice is don't expect a non-fatally hit grizzly bear to pose and offer standing-still followup shots. Expect the bear to be on the go until cover is reached. Based on my experiences and observations, I recommend getting within sure-kill first shot range, so that if something does go wrong, your chances of hitting the bear with a followup shot on the run are improved.

But if you can't close the distance to the ideal range, I wouldn't hesitant to strike a well placed killing blow at longer distances with your '06. The average grizzly isn't a huge animal. If you bump into an old mature boar, then yes, they can be down right impressive. But not on the same order as a mature brown bear boar. The big coastal brown bears can be unsettling to the uninitiated simply by virtue of their immense size. A mature coastal brown bear will dwarf the largest of inland grizzly bears - no comparison. And your '06 will kill a big coastal brownie with a good hit, so don't feel handicapped with the '06 for grizzly bears. Place the shot properly and enjoy your hunt. It should be a great time.
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