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Old 07-16-2012, 09:54 AM
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I'm NOT going to post that! This company makes damn good and accurate bullets so I won't bad mouth them on here! I will say that they were bonded bullets!
You aren't badmouthing the company by giving accurate information about bullet performance. Such details in fact are why many of us come here. Shared experience is worthless if you don't actuall share the details.
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Old 07-16-2012, 11:45 AM
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We're not talking about a soft cast bullet traveling sub 2500fps. We're not even talking about bullets fired from an 06.

We're talking about a 180gr that's running somewhere around 3000fps on impact that does not fragment and does not expand.

I've dressed Elk, I dressed monster hogs, and with that kind of velocity and energy I cannot fathom a bullet that does neither not passing completely through said animal.

Elk are tough animals, they are not however armor plated.
Yeah, the vast majority under 100 are pass through's but it still happens once in a while. I've seen recovered Winchester factory, Speer and Sierra's shot from .300 & .338 win mags shooting from 180 gr. to 225 gr. All were designed to mushroom except the "hard cast" 330 grainer (which I never found but didn't exit). I would agree that a non expanding bullet being found is rare to non existent. I've never recovered a Barnes but there are probably a few who have. They expand but differently.

Regarding elk hide, I use a Cold Steel Hunter as a skinner. Nothing special in fact kinda beat up. Anyway, I placed the point on the upper chest hide to see if I could pierce it. I put my torso on the hilt and lunged into it but couldn't pierce it with the point. It slices well enough though but that tough hide will snag a bullet once in a while. Also, don't get in a knife fight with an elk.
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Old 07-16-2012, 03:42 PM
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Re: 30-06 for long range

Some food for though about the .30-06.

First off, any 30 caliber bullet striking game at the same entry angle at 1500 or 2000 fps will have identical performance regardless of the cartridge or rifle it was fired from. The only difference is how far the animal is from the muzzle. And any cartridge and barrel that shoots 30 caliber bullets out at the same speed as the '06 will equal it afield.

Second, the fall of the .30-06 from grace as "the" cartridge to use in competition when the .308 Win. took over in 1963 had nothing to do with the cartridge. It was the chamber's leade angle that was the problem. Originally it was 2.5 degrees and the .308's was 1.5 degrees; a big reason why the .308 Win. shot bullets more accurate from otherwise identical bore, groove and twist dimensions. SAAMI specs now list the .30-06 leade angle at 1 degree 22 minutes and the .308's at 1 degree 45 minutes.
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I've seen a 6 pt. bull elk take a solid hit in the left shoulder area stand on his feet for 5 minutes and then take one more from a 300 RUM with a well known hunting bullet before biting the dust! Range was 90 yards! Both bullets DID NOT fragment upon impact! Animals are TUFF!!
I'm sure glad these elk in Montana haven't started wearing kevlar yet. I've packed a couple hundred elk out and have never seen any that were that tough shot with a decent bullet.

The old '06 is very capable on elk out to 600 yds.. I've seen it done many times farther than that but the nut behind the bolt has to do his job.
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cowboy

MOST don't wear kevlar but for every rule....there is the exception!!
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