I don't know what 264 Win mag people are shooting that has a lot of recoil. Mine does not have much more felt recoil than my Rem 700 sendaro clone 25-06. I have shot 30-06s with much more felt recoil than my 264 mag. It is a 700 Rem. Shilen #4 CM 27 3/4" barrel in a Hogue full bed stock with a Meopta Meostar 3-12X56 for glass. I just got the rifle and have not really worked up my loads yet or shot any game with it. Do the math, a 140 gr Nosler partition with a SD of a golf pencil at 3000+ fps won't kill an elk effectivly??? What does it take to kill an elk a 50 BMG? I know what a 120 Sierra and Nosler BT out of my 6.5X55 Swede at 3000 fps and Sierra 140's and Nosler partitions at 2850 fps will do to a deer. BANG FLOP at almost any range you can connect on one. I once shot a big deer( 180 lb class) at 200 yards in the chest with a 140 Nosler partition at 2850 fps and it came out the center of it's right ham. It destroyed the ham, but that shows you how much penetration those long bullets will do. I think that would let the air out of any elk.
I drew a Tule Elk tag 10 years ago. As it was a special hunt, we (the lucky few that drew a tag) had to go to a mandatory pre-hunt meeting. During the meeting the Fish and Game officer went around the room and asked what each of would be shooting.
I was planning my 338WM...One person said 264 WM which the officer replied "perfect". His point during the briefing was:
1. Forget the shoulder shot, just let the air out of them.
2. If you over penetrate and kill or wound a 2nd elk, we will take your elk and fine you $5000, plus a 1 year suspension of hunting license.
I had to rethink my hunting strategy, and even then at 1st light I had a perfect shot, but passed because of elk behind my elk...Finally got my elk that evening.
Taught me that if you are hunting in open country, easy to track, take the easy money shot, if in steep heavy cover, shoot to drop the animal where you can find it.
Been in love with that little big round since I was 10. I wanted something different even way back then...How would I have known it was going to be such a perfect choice. I guess you could say the caliber chose me instead of me choosing it.
A recent article on loading the for the .264WM, is John Barsness' "New Powders in the .264 Winchester Magnum", which appeared in the February 2005 issue of Handloader magazine. This article was written because .264 shooters could find very little information on loads using the newer slow powders in the reloading manuals, most of which just have loads for older powders, and haven't been updated in many years. You may still be able to get a back issue from Wolfe Publishing.
Good luck and happy hunting!
How can I get a copy of the article ? I just got a Ruger M77 MkII in .264 Win Mag. Im currently working with Retumbo and 129gr Interbonds.
I have hunted with the 264 win mag since 1966. I bought a used sako with a 25" barrel and used it with great success in the long ranges of central Texas. I used the 100 gr. Nosler partitions mostly. I never tried to compare the 264 with the 270 and considered it was a better comparison to the 257 Weatherby and Roy Weatherby used the 257 mag on game all over the continent and used it on large game and I felt like the 264 was as good or better mainly do to is better bullet selection to reloaders. I still have the old sako but it has been reblued and rebarreled, it now sports a fluted 26" barrel. I have taken Elk, Mule deer and sheep with the old gun and a few truck loads of white tails over the 45 years of hunting game along with a dozen antilope and it has never failed me. I loaded 125 gr. Partitions for the elk and mule deer but loaded the 100 gr. Partitions that seemed to hold together better at the high bullet speeds the 264 developed, I always used H-4831 power and never used factory ammunition for anything but targets to get the brass. I never thought the recoil was excessive, it does have one hell of a muzzle blast as a few hunting buddys still complain about. I have never used it on big bears as i always figured that was what the 338 mag was made for. I still have the old sako and it holds an honored spot in my gun safe. I use a light weight custom 6.5/06 mostly now as old age is sneaking up on ole Moos but I`ll always love the 264. My son in law now uses a 264 in a Remington solely and we still argue about which reloads work best as he swears by the 129 grain Hornadys but the 264 still works no matter what you load into it. Good luck and safe hunting.
I am the proud owner of an original Model 70 Westerner, The gun that started the .264 Magnum series. It is , and will always be, my favorite long range rifle. It was my Dads bought used in 1963 and has been mine for the past 10 years. This rifle has done amazing things over the years and was even given a nickname on its first year of service with my Dad out of respect for what it was capable of doing. On a Family and friends group Deer hunt in the wide open spaces of Central Oregon in 1964 this rifle made its debut a thing to remember and cherish forever. The terrain was mixed slow rolling fields of winter wheat and open exspanses of high desert. Mule Deer bucks were abundant that year and Dad invited one and all to come join him that year as the deer were fat and horns pretty impressive to boot. Ended up being 13 in the group that year and I got to tag along on my first ever deer camp hunt at the fine age of 6 years old,,, seems like it was just yesterday. My dad had tried to impress upon all who were to come that the shooting would be pretty far at times and being true men one and all ( few listened ). A gaggle of saddle rifles, old war surplus rifles such as .303 brits and a 6.5 Jap to mention a few and one newer 30-06 showed up for this hunt. Dad bagged a big fat 3 point opening morning and that was the only harvested buck on that day. By the end of the 2nd day one more deer had been taken with the 30-06 as I recall and the whining and crying was going something like this,,, "How far were you holding over his back Clem when you emptied yur gun ?" I dont rightly know Bubba but I couldnt see him in my sights no more when I pulled the trigger if"n that tells ya anything !!! So starts the .264 Mag saga. Dad offered to take 2 hunters out at a time and use his rifle and he would spot for them and call the shots as all would be a good 300 yard or better shots . Dad had been practicing long shots for a year just for this kind of hunting. By end of day 4 all 13 tags were filled and 11 of them with the .264. I will never forget seeing so many nice Bucks hanging in our camp. The air was cold so the deer stayed in camp. A pair of hunters stopped in camp at dusk on the 4th day to admire the horn collection. In my family when the hunt is over the gear changes and celebrating kicks in. Good food and a taste of good liquor becomes the theme of the day. Offering both of these to the 2 camp guests and deer hunters being known to brag a bit from time to time,,, it was soon discovered that the majority of the deer had fell victim to one rifle in particular and of course had to be brought out for "show and tell". While the gun was in the hands of one of the guests and he had seen one of the cartridges he was heard to say "That damn rifle is pure Hell on deer,,, downright EVIL as a matter of fact." All around agreed and someone then said, "Hell, you outta name it !!! So then then one and all started thinking of a name befitting such an evil deer slayer,,, To this day throughout my family and among friends this Sweet little rifle is known as " LUCIFER "and from then til now has proven worthy of his name on Elk, Antelope, Coyotes, Cougar, and a host of other varmits,,, Gotta go,,, I hear him calling ,,, goin huntin ....