Originally Posted by Weezer
I'm to understand that 6.5 bullet leaving the barrel @ 3200fps will kill better at 500yds than 6.5 bullet of like kind with a muzzle velosity 2800fps and hitting the target at the same impact speed at 300yds???
No wonder a lot of us out here in the west think most gun writers are full of bull fluff. I'm sorry but common sense does'nt seem to point out your theory.
It great to know that opinions are like rectums, everyone has one.
Good to see one still has the ability to stirr up a discussion.
It might be my explanation skills are not at par with the fellow man or some of you guys need to read carefully before replying to a post.
Weezer - where on earth are you getting this from?? If the same bullet exits the muzzle at 3200 f/s compared to 2800f/s it's going to hit with almost the same difference in velocity. If a 400f/s differnce in velocity does not effect killing potential of a caliber , you need to out more and kill more stuff with different guns.
Scot E - have I ever written or expressed there is a treshold were a bullet would not kill ? No I gave you information based on 8000 pcs of game taken with various calibers over a 2 year period where the DATA more than indicates an impact velocity above 2900f/s gives you a 90% + likelyhood of a big game going down instantaniously. I personally have a 2000f/s min velocity requirement for my own rounds - and that is MY personal maximum range for the caliber used. I do not use thin jacketed fragile bullets for BG. You might - and that is up to you.
1200f/s with an A-Max suggest you would use a 6,5-284(MV 3000f/s) out to approx 1100y on BG. You got to be one hell of a shooter to being able to put 9 out of 10 1st shot hits within a 8-10" kill sone at that range. Not to mention controlling the games movement during the 1,7s flight time of that particular bullet. If you are capable of a 10 1st shot string like that under field conditions - congrats on your skills. You are an amazing marksman! If you give classes I'll definately will look you up the next time I am over visiting some of our suppliers. This is not irony.
Regarding the velocity potential of a 6,5 Swede and it's peers I am not going to be modest and say I know a bit more than most about it. Breaking 2900f/s with a 140 grs bullet in the Swede almost regardless of powder will give you pressures in the + 60-62k PSI range. I have used an Oehler 43 P for more than 18 years, testing more than 40 different calibers and currently own 5 different Swede barrels ranging from 22-30"
Best powder available to us is RE 22/25/560/570/MRP/MRP2/AA8700/H1000
2900f/s range with safe pressure is for larger cases like the -06 and x284 - which was the reason for my advice on the 6,5-06 in the first place.
Elkhaholic - I guess you are just having sore toes which I most likely stepped on when commenting that a quarter bore pee shooter was not an appropriate Elk rifle. And by the way - I have owned 3 different 25-06 rifles and yes I have killed quite a bit of stuff with the old 117 and the newer 120 Partitions ;-) It is always a good rule of conduct to not make assumptions of someone who you know nothing about. I do not know the size of elf you normally hunt - but my experiance with them is that a + 500# critter needs a lot
more bullet than a 120 grs quarter bore to be a consistant and reliable killer.
You dissagree - lets just leave it at that. There is a saying; arguing online is like participating in the special olympics and so on. From what I have read here you are a skilled individual with plenty to offer. We will however never agree on the usefullness of a quarter bore.
You guys have a great weekend. Straight shooting to all of you