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260 Rem Vs. 6.5-06

 
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Old 05-23-2012, 04:16 PM
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Re: 260 Rem Vs. 6.5-06

You have a point there.

There are lies, white lies and statistics. But the raw data gathered by the hunters themselves and submitting all the background info

Shooting distance
Caliber used
Bullet placement
Moving or still animal
Game movements from place it was shot

From such a large selection of data you are getting quite a few pointers on shot placement and caliber choice if you want them on the ground fast.

Goverment actually not - their biggest source of invome is the fee hunters submit for all types of big game shot here. About 25$ each.
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Old 05-23-2012, 04:50 PM
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Re: 260 Rem Vs. 6.5-06

I've shot 6.5 for a number of years,waaay before it was cool. I have and used to kill deer 6.5,x52x54x55x57 and 6.5-06,plus .264 WM,speeds from 2000 to over 3000,100 gr to 160 gr bullets and the only thing I can see different is the bullet gets to the fur a little quicker on some.

Not bragging,but the one downside has been the demish of my
"tracking skills". To me it's shot placement,period
I killed stuff in Africa witha 30/06,did not get everything I wanted,but dead is dead...
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Old 05-23-2012, 06:04 PM
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Re: 260 Rem Vs. 6.5-06

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..- but in my book a quicker death is a more humane one. And when it comes to hunting ethics and animal welfare I'm always gone be on the game side of the discussion. That is also why I am very skeptical of the practice of using small calibers on large game. Yes you will kill them eventually but usually it takes to long and is from an animal welfare standpoint poor caliber choices.

As the 25-06 on elk tread currently being discussed these days. On a large bull elk 25-06 is NOT a suited tool for the job

Animal welfare and hunting ethics I was told are NOT to be discussed on this BB...!
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Old 05-23-2012, 07:49 PM
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Re: 260 Rem Vs. 6.5-06

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Here we have to agree to dissagree. A test performed by swedish game management authorities with more than 8000 heads of game taken over 2 seasons clearly states that impact velocities above 2900f/s(900m/s) is the fastest putting game on the ground. Shortest distances game travelled from being hit to being to being on the ground dead was with 300 WM and 7 RM.

I'm not discussing with you that dead is dead if you hit were you are supposed to - but in my book a quicker death is a more humane one. And when it comes to hunting ethics and animal welfare I'm always gone be on the game side of the discussion. That is also why I am very skeptical of the practice of using small calibers on large game. Yes you will kill them eventually but usually it takes to long and is from an animal welfare standpoint poor caliber choices.

As the 25-06 on elk tread currently being discussed these days. On a large bull elk 25-06 is NOT a suited tool for the job
A 25-06 will easily top 2900'......Rich
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Old 05-23-2012, 11:57 PM
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Re: 260 Rem Vs. 6.5-06

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Here we have to agree to dissagree. A test performed by swedish game management authorities with more than 8000 heads of game taken over 2 seasons clearly states that impact velocities above 2900f/s(900m/s) is the fastest putting game on the ground. Shortest distances game travelled from being hit to being to being on the ground dead was with 300 WM and 7 RM.

I'm not discussing with you that dead is dead if you hit were you are supposed to - but in my book a quicker death is a more humane one. And when it comes to hunting ethics and animal welfare I'm always gone be on the game side of the discussion. That is also why I am very skeptical of the practice of using small calibers on large game. Yes you will kill them eventually but usually it takes to long and is from an animal welfare standpoint poor caliber choices.

As the 25-06 on elk tread currently being discussed these days. On a large bull elk 25-06 is NOT a suited tool for the job
I hate to point out the obvious, but the swede and .260 are both capable of 2,900fps.

Your study also cannot possibly account for shot placement on each of those kills.

No question about it, more energy on impact gives you a bigger kill zone because more damage is done via hyperstatic shock.

Nothing however supercedes proper shot placement and bullet selection.

I've taken 400lbs plus wild hogs with a little bitty .204 Ruger, have seen elk taken with a .222rem, even a .300lbs sow killed with a .17rem.

Would I recommend any of the above? No, but if you can place the shot where it belongs with enough power to strike the vitals and penetrate them or destroy them, the animal is just as dead and they never know what caliber they were shot with.

Bottom line, we are discussing the various .260/6.5's here and there's very little real difference in any of them being discussed.

I have a good freind/client who owns and manages a very large ranch in S. Africa that thinks we're just nuts over here with our "bigger is better" mentality.

His teenage daughter piled up 34 bodies during the fall culling a few weeks ago shooting an itty bitty 6.5 swede... .
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Old 05-25-2012, 01:41 AM
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Re: 260 Rem Vs. 6.5-06

Of course the 260/6,5's are capable of reaching 2900f/s with any given bullet weight - but not with a wellconstructed BG bullet that will penetrate both halfs of the body and leave a good blood trail on exit.

In .264' these bullets weigh + 130grs and a 140 is better due to higher SD. To reach 2900f/s with any of the two on top with any of these cartridges will be loaded to extremely high pressures to do so.

My two main game species that I do hunt in numbers every year is moose and red deer. Reed deer in good years more than 40, around 10 in a slow year and 4-5 to 10 + moose in the same season. I have used almost everything out there to find out first hand what works or not.

I'm not saying it's the entire truth but from my logs a faster 6,5 kills a lot better than one of the smaller ones. one season I killed 17 reed deer, 3 fallow deer, 3 moose, 1 wild boar and 3 Roe Deer all with a 6,5 swede. From these I for the first time in my life I had to find a tracking dog 3 times to locate dead game that walked so far of that I could not locate them myself. Of all these I only had 1 bang - flop which was a moose cow that had previously been shot at that I took with a head shot at 150y. And the head was the only thing I could see from my elevated stand over a brush area. Never take head shots on game regardless of distance. Prefer to have better margins for error.

I do not feel comfortable with the slower .264's since I find them to be to slow killers. The expanded diameter on their bullets seems to create too small of wound channel and not enough trauma, with too slow a drop in blood pressure and incapasitation compared to the slightly bigger stuff

I have a good friend that shoots at least the same numbers as I do a year - with a high performance 6,5 that shoots 140 AB's in the 3200f/s range and he usually have spectacular results. He is also one hell of a marksman with +1000y capabillities way surpassing mine capable of 1st shot hits on 3/4 MOA targets at 1000m 8/10 times. The high speed 6,5 he still limits to 500meters for the same reasons as mine. At that range the bullets hits with a velocity that does not quite give the performce we would like.

The Study - I'm not sure whether it is available in English. I can try and find out. Shot placement was one of the criterias people were asked to mark down.But how eash section of the animal was done I do not know.
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Old 05-25-2012, 01:58 PM
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Re: 260 Rem Vs. 6.5-06

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Of course the 260/6,5's are capable of reaching 2900f/s with any given bullet weight - but not with a wellconstructed BG bullet that will penetrate both halfs of the body and leave a good blood trail on exit.

In .264' these bullets weigh + 130grs and a 140 is better due to higher SD. To reach 2900f/s with any of the two on top with any of these cartridges will be loaded to extremely high pressures to do so.

My two main game species that I do hunt in numbers every year is moose and red deer. Reed deer in good years more than 40, around 10 in a slow year and 4-5 to 10 + moose in the same season. I have used almost everything out there to find out first hand what works or not.

I'm not saying it's the entire truth but from my logs a faster 6,5 kills a lot better than one of the smaller ones. one season I killed 17 reed deer, 3 fallow deer, 3 moose, 1 wild boar and 3 Roe Deer all with a 6,5 swede. From these I for the first time in my life I had to find a tracking dog 3 times to locate dead game that walked so far of that I could not locate them myself. Of all these I only had 1 bang - flop which was a moose cow that had previously been shot at that I took with a head shot at 150y. And the head was the only thing I could see from my elevated stand over a brush area. Never take head shots on game regardless of distance. Prefer to have better margins for error.

I do not feel comfortable with the slower .264's since I find them to be to slow killers. The expanded diameter on their bullets seems to create too small of wound channel and not enough trauma, with too slow a drop in blood pressure and incapasitation compared to the slightly bigger stuff

I have a good friend that shoots at least the same numbers as I do a year - with a high performance 6,5 that shoots 140 AB's in the 3200f/s range and he usually have spectacular results. He is also one hell of a marksman with +1000y capabillities way surpassing mine capable of 1st shot hits on 3/4 MOA targets at 1000m 8/10 times. The high speed 6,5 he still limits to 500meters for the same reasons as mine. At that range the bullets hits with a velocity that does not quite give the performce we would like.

The Study - I'm not sure whether it is available in English. I can try and find out. Shot placement was one of the criterias people were asked to mark down.But how eash section of the animal was done I do not know.
I am not sure you are going to get a whole lot of traction here with your velocity-limit theories. This is a LRH site where we often shoot at distances that put our impact velocities below 2000 fps. Heck one of my favorite loads gives me excellent performance on deer sized game down to around 1200 fps with a Hornady A-max. Talking about impact velocities over 2900 fps eliminates about 90% of the shooters here.

With 26-30 inch barrels and a modern action the 6.5 Swede will pretty easily hit those numbers without pressure issues, even with 130 and 140 grain bullets. You have to be careful in looking at online data for the 6.5 Swede. Most of them are loaded to lower pressure levels due to the popularity of the older and weaker Mauser actions. Based on your comments I am curious what action, barrel length, bullets brand and weight, and powder you are using. Your performance doesn't seem to add up to what I have seen.

Scot E.
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