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Old 10-21-2004, 03:58 PM
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Re: 243 Rem 700 question

Ok, time for me to get up on my stump.

Buy the .243, definitely, but for yourself, not for your kid. The absolute worst thing you can do to a new hunter, kid, wife, whatever, is to saddle them with a marginal cartridge on their first hunt merely because "it kicks less." By that logic we all should use a .22 short. Ok, .22 CB cap.

Wrong. Way better to give them a slightly heavier gun in a way more adequate caliber. You want their first deer to go down in a pile without a twitch, not flop, squirm, and scream for 20 minutes, otherwise you're taking a big risk on turning them off hunting, or even to anti-hunting, the very first time out.

I'd suggest a 7mm-08. Works _good_, makes deer flat without kicking too much. .270 or .260 if that's what you've got. Even the .25s, which I love, are not wise choices for beginners.

Buy that .243 though ... for yourself. Or use the action to build that 7mm-08.
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Old 10-22-2004, 12:48 PM
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Re: 243 Rem 700 question

Well...I don't want it for myself. Let me explain my situation. My son has already been hunting with me on several occasions and watched me take and field dress deer. The last thing I will let him do is pull the trigger until he has learned all other aspects of the hunt. I think he will respect it more in the long run that way anad it won't be a shicker when the time comes for his first deer.
He currently shoots a 22-250 and a 410. This was only after he learned and was very comfortable with a 22. My reason for this is that I didn't want to teach my son to flinch when he shoots by giving him too much gun too soon. I learned this the hard way myself when my father started me with a 30-06.
Let me also share that my son will be hunting in central TX on mid size deer and taking 150 yard or less shots. With that being said, do you still think the 243 is a marginal cartridge? It's a very popular size here and I'd like to learn more. Perhaps I can start him with the 243 and later when he is comfortable I can convert it to the 7m-08 when he is bigger and starts to take longer shots? What is involved with that conversion? ALso, will it involve hand loads or can this caliber be bought over the counter? Thanks!

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Old 10-22-2004, 05:37 PM
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Re: 243 Rem 700 question

...243 is adequate for the short range you referred to; most important thing is using the proper type bullet and shot placement...
don't overlook proper stock fit, especially for youth etc... this has more to do with felt recoil than you might think... also, the 7-08 is a simple conversion, only need to re-barrel... boltface; parent case are the same as .243; frankly, the 7-08 is a better choice, as would be the .260 which is between the .243 & the 7-08 (factory ammo is available for all)... if the gun fits properly, you'll never need to "trade up" again with either of these calibers within reasonable range... hope this helps...
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Old 10-22-2004, 06:04 PM
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Re: 243 Rem 700 question

It's hard to say. Both 'bout recoil and effectiveness.

For stand hunting, small deer, moderate range, with premium game bullets and careful shot placement the .243 will get it done. If it doesn't, it was user error, failing to wait for a right-enough shot.

The important thing, probably, regardless of whether you're getting your kid ready to shoot game with a maybe marginal caliber or getting them ready to shoot something with a bit more recoil is lots of practice over a number of months, not a lot of shots in any one sitting so they get bruised and abused, but enough to reinforce good shooting habits.
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Old 10-22-2004, 09:14 PM
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Re: 243 Rem 700 question

You haven't bought that .243 yet? Load some 85 gr Barnes bullets and go hunting. I started with a 30-06 too, and it was too much gun at the time. I firmly believe in bullet placement first, and starting a young shooter out with something that they can shoot without developing a flinch. I started my 12 year old daughter out with a Savage 7-08 that had a muzzle brake, shortened stock with a Decelerator pad, and a 2.5 lb trigger. Her first group was a 30 shot group at 100 yds that was about 2.5". She has now, at 15 killed four elk and two deer with that rifle. It doesn't hurt or scare her, so she can shoot it well. She gets lots of practice and takes only shots that are at a reasonable angle within a couple hundred yards. The kid's a killer.
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