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Old 10-22-2009, 09:57 PM
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Re: 225 Accubond vs Elk Report

My daughter shot a moose with a 180 Accubond out of 338WM. The moose was laying down at about 75 yards in thick cover. This is not a good shot and normally I would wait for the animal to get up. But given that she was a novice and this was probably her best chance I told her to put it behind the shoulder and squeeze. At the shot the moose quivered and then struggled to stand. I told her it was already done in but to put another one in it for insurance. It took a few steps and tipped over. The autopsy revealed that the first shot had hit its elbow, splattered, and did not even enter the rib cage. If she had not shot it a second time we would have been tracking for a long time.

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Old 10-22-2009, 11:45 PM
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Re: 225 Accubond vs Elk Report

It would seem that some one needs to cut a couple of these in half. I shot a few 140 Accubonds out of my 270WSM into dry printer reams at 25 yrds to see if I could blow them up and out of all the none mono metal bullets I shot the Accubond was the only one to mushroom and retain any weight the rest blew up.
My experience with the Balistic tip how ever has been nothing but terrible and will never, ever shoot anything with them again, but this is all out of smaller cals than the 338. I have alway gotten the total fragmentation from the balistic tips similar to what your getting with the Accubond.
Do the copper fragments have a lead coating where it is bonded? I have noticed on all the Accubonds I've looked at there was a clear indication of being a bonded bullet.
Could there be two different jacket thickness between the 250's and the 225's and smaller?
I was fondling a box of this very bullet the other day as I'm contemplating some 338 action for next year, I was kinda expecting them to be very good. I'll definatly watch this thread with interest.
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Old 10-23-2009, 12:16 AM
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Re: 225 Accubond vs Elk Report

Here is my info. I just shot a blacktail buck on Monday with a 180 grain accubond in a 30-378. Ended up being a 295 yard shot. I found the bullet in the right front shoulder. It did go through the backbone first, however it made a hole that I might have been able to put my fist in. This in now the fourth buck I have shot with accubonds and this is the only recovery of the bullet. The three other bucks died instantly without movement. Tells me the bullet delivers great energy.

Granted two of these have been mule deer and two blacktails. I have not shot an elk with this rifle and bullet. Hope to give you a report next week on how it does on Elk.

I have a picture of the bullet and am trying to post a picture. Not sure how to do it.
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Old 10-23-2009, 12:41 AM
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Re: 225 Accubond vs Elk Report

I had nothing but good experiences with the 200g AB from a 300 RUM at 3100fps. Took a couple spike bulls, furthest being 525 yards and they left baseball size holes while going through shoulders.

Never did recover one so I guess thats a good thing.

I have heard of the 338 225g AB's coming apart though as well. Your not the first one.

I have a friend that took his 338 Win mag to Africa a couple years back and he said every single one of the animals he shot with the 338 and 225g AB died quickly, but they never exited and didn't hold there weight very well, think he shot 4 animals. None exited. Thats just very odd to me at 338 Win mag velocities and a bonded bullet.

Kinda makes me rethink about using them in my EDGE at 3300-3400fps.

I have been looking at the sierra 250g gameking and its looking better everytime I see the BC and price.

Hard to get away from the 300g SMK's though.
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Old 10-23-2009, 12:47 AM
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Re: 225 Accubond vs Elk Report

Only one experience with an AB on game...

300 WSM, 180 AB, MV~2990

Cow elk ~ 200 yds

Impacted the lower/thicker part of the spine just behing the last rib. Exit wound was about 2-3"... and I found a 9 gr piece of the bullet in the exit wound area.

For a .308 180 bullet, my first choice would be the E- Tip, but if the AB more accurate, I would go with it.

Mark
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Old 10-23-2009, 10:11 PM
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Re: 225 Accubond vs Elk Report

I killed a small 5 point bull elk two weeks ago with the 225 accubond out of my 338 rum. The shot was a running shot at about 150 yards and I hit a little far back breaking the elks spine. He was down, but required a finishing shot to keep him down. I was cutting up the front shoulders yesterday and did find a chunk of bullet fragment close to where the finishing shot nicked the shoulder blade. Last year I killed a big muley with the same load at about 350 yards and drilled him right in the shoulder. Totally desroyed the shoulder, but bullet did exit. These bullets at the very least, seem to blow up on the front portion.

I killed a nice antelope several weeks ago with my 300 rum with 180 gr NAB's and the bullet appeared to blow up on impact. There was an 8 inch hole in the hide at the entrance. I recovered the mushroomed bullet on the off side just under the skin. This shot was right at 400 yards and the antelope died instantly. For a bonded bullet, the results are disappointing. Might be time to try some swift sciracco's, they do hold together. Maybe the new tipped trophy bonded might also be a good choice.
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Old 10-24-2009, 12:26 PM
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Re: 225 Accubond vs Elk Report

All of this discussion on the accubonds might have me looking for a new bullet. I do a fair amount of hunting in Griz country and if I have to count on one shot to save my life, I don't know that I am going to be happy about a bonded bullet that turns to bits and pieces. Several years ago I killed a six point bull at 540 yards with a 250 partition that had a mv of 2950. It hit the bull in the shoulder and the bull dropped within a few steps. While quartering the elk, I noticed a fair amount of damage to the shoulder, but only a tiny hole going into the rib cage. This tells me that the bullet shed the front portion going through the shoulder and only the shank entered the rib cage. This discussion makes me re-think the barnes bullet. I had good luck with the 210 grain x bullet with the blue coating, but then they started making the tripple shock. I recovered a 210 grain x bullet that broke both shoulders on a cow elk that my brother had hit in the ham with a 160 partion out of a 7mag and was leaving the country. I dropped that elk in her tracks at 550. The bullet performance was great with 3 petals in tact out of 4 and about .750 mushroom. The main reason that I quit on the barnes bullets was because barrel #2 on my 338 rum didn't like them. Now that I have a real good barrel, maybe it is time to try the tipped tripple shock in a 225. Barnes is listing the new BC as .514 and I think I can live with that if the bullet will group.
On the older x bullets, I had a couple of cases where the bullets didn't expand at all on 500+ yard shots with my 338 win mag and that is not a good thing either, because it leads to lots of tracking and a slow death for the animal. I only have one kill that I remember with a 200 gr balistic tip from my 338 win mag on elk and it was recovered from the off side under the hide on a bull that was taken in the timber at about 70 yards. The bullet had a nice mushroom, however there was no lead remaining, only the jacket. The jacket weighed about 130 grains. Maybe nosler has lightened the jacket on the newer accubonds.
My dad managed to kill a nice high country mulie this year with his 338 win mag that I loaded with 200 gr accubonds. 275 yard shot, and the bullet was recovered in the off side shoulder with no good explanation of how it got there. The entrance hole was quite a ways back and broke the spine. The recovered bullet was a perfect mushroom that appeared to be about .750 in cross section and probably about 75% weight retention, a perfect example of what the accubond should do.
Maybe the hornady gmx will be another good bullet to try.
On a side note, my dad has some very old nosler partions that appeared to be hand turned. They had machining marks on them and probably didn't have a very good BC, but we recovered several of them with excellent mushrooms.
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