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Old 11-08-2004, 06:38 AM
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.22-250 AI, .22-6mm or .243

Want a round for 500-600 yards for deer/antelope/yotes. Thinking .22-250 AI, .22-6mm or the good ol .243. With the new 65gr from Sierra, should be good for deer/antelope. Has anyone tried the 75gr A Max on larger animals? I have a .25-06, but would like another rifle for a back-up. I have dies and bullets for the .243, but I would like to try some fast twist bullets out of a .22 centerfire. If I don't go with the .243, it will give me a reason to buy one down the road, since I have the components!!!! What do you guys think?
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Old 11-08-2004, 07:39 AM
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Re: .22-250 AI, .22-6mm or .243

DoubleD ,
Lots of wiser people than me think that 1000 foot pounds of retained energy is a reasonable minimum for deer . The .22's will struggle to give you that at 600 yards , even with 80gn VLD's.
Should get around 3300 fps with 80gn out of the .22/250AI , more with the .22/6mm but have read of problems with integrity / accuracy of .22 VLD's at those velocities .
.243 would also need VLD's at that range to retain 1000 FPE which would mean an 8 inch twist barrel .

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Old 11-08-2004, 08:04 AM
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Re: .22-250 AI, .22-6mm or .243

Might want to check but here in Colorado for big game which includes deer and antelope you cann't use anything smaller than a 6mm caliber.
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Old 11-09-2004, 06:08 PM
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Re: .22-250 AI, .22-6mm or .243

Ten words, 243 Akley Improved, 105 grain A-Max, 8 twist barrel. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]
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Old 11-09-2004, 06:40 PM
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Re: .22-250 AI, .22-6mm or .243

I might start a ******* match here but I would never consider taking a shot at a deer size target with any of these rounds at 400 yards let alone 500 to 600 yards.

There are just far better rounds for the job that do not generate much more recoil.

Coyotes, you bet, all day long, hammer away.

Pronghorns, sure with heavy bullets in fast twists, still 500 yards is a poke with the 22 cals of any size on this size game.

Why not get into something like a fast twist 6mm-06. Built one last spring for a guy on a 28" Kreiger 1-9" barrel that is shooting the 105 gr A-Max bullets into the .3's at 3500 fps.

For taking a deer at 500 yards, this is where I would consider the minimum level of power, far above any 22 cal or 243 Win.

This is also one of the easiest wildcats to load for, run a 25-06 brass thoughthe full length sizer and load and shoot, there you go. Feed like silk with its shallow shoulder, is very accurate and has the power and trajectory for takin gshots at game ou to 500 yards or a bit beyond.

To be honest, your 25-06 is a better round then all of them if you use the proper bullet with the a stout load.

Good Shooting!!

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Old 11-09-2004, 07:28 PM
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Re: .22-250 AI, .22-6mm or .243

Thanks for all of the responses. Who cares if you start a ******* match, none of this is set in stone, just each person's thoughts. Fiftydriver, the reason I went these, is I have a short action. What about a 6-284? Should be about the same as a 6-06? I don't mind recoil, but I like the smaller rounds. Haven't got into elk hunting,so I don't need a magnum. I thought about getting another .25-06, but need something different. Any other suggestion, keep them coming! Thanks again
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Old 11-09-2004, 08:06 PM
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Re: .22-250 AI, .22-6mm or .243

DoubleD,

Nothing at all wrong with the 6mm-284, hell of a round and yes it is basically the same thing as the standard 6mm-06.

Only benefit I see with the 6mm06 over the 6mm-284 is the 06 cases are easier to get and they will feed better.

I have not had a real problem with any of the 6mm-284s I have built as far as feeding goes but they have all been Rem 700 actions.

Ever though of a 6.5mm WSM? Designed a reamer for this wildcat this summer and it is producing some very impressive performance.

This is a better hunting round then target/varmint/com round because its throat life will be a little shorter then the 6.5-284 but it will provide a lifetime of big game hunting.

It will run real close to a 264 Win Mag in performance with about 8 grains less powder. I built myself an XP-100 handgun with a 15" Lilja barrel and it is a tack driver. Averages in the .350" range for three shot groups with the 120 gr Ballistic Tip loaded to 3100 fps in the handgun.

Took a doe mule deer at a measured 332 yards this season with it. Took out both shoulders and dropped her where she stood. The 120 BT exited as well.

Good Shooting!!

Just another option to confuse things. The 6.5 WSM with the 140 gr A-Max would ba a great long range deer round.

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