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Old 11-02-2013, 10:26 AM
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Re: 210 Bergers Get it Done!

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Stewartrecords, your success with quick Berger kills are the same as mine.
100% recovered dead animals and never tracked one yet. Over 20 Big game animals just last year alone and have witnessed 100's of successful kills. This year is proving to be the same way even with some tough shots on bull elk that didn't have vitals exposed.

But be warned, there are a hand full of guys on this site that have chosen to be Berger haters. They have banded together, talk in private and plan their attacks on you if your posts contain to much success. Doesn't matter if you only speak the truth, they will degrade you, attack your integrity and do what ever they can in an attempt to make you look bad.

But please know the number of successful real hunters using Berger bullets out number them probably 100 to 1. I think that is what chaps their azzes most.

Great animals there you killed. Congrats! and awesome job getting it done.

Thanks for your in depth report report and pics.

Jeff
Jeff,

I hope you're not including me as a Berger "hater". I hope you know better than that. I have about 500 of them here in boxes ready to load and use on any game in this country. That said, they are a frangible bullet and IMO, not the best choice if a deep penetrating bullet is needed for the game hunted. In your own experience you have had 16" or less of penetration.

I am all about being OBJECTIVE. There is no perfect bullet for all situations and you yourself have said that as well. I am neither a Berger hater or Berger lover.
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Old 11-02-2013, 10:39 AM
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Mark, I never named any names but no I was not including you. You know the few I was referring to. I see this thread heading the same direction as many threads. So I was just making the OP aware of what will likely come. Yes I have seen Bergers that did not exit large elk at under 5 to 600 yards and stop in the far side with about 16" of penetration. I also seen the same exact bullet from the same rifle go 26" and through the far shoulder of a bull. No two shots are the same for any bullet. Simply breaking a rib going in, or deflection off it as some harder bullets will do, will be a huge factor as to what the bullet does from there. This is just one example of the many factors involved with shot placement, angles, impact velocity, amount of bone, hide, meat, water soaked stomach content, etc.

I have said before many times, use what you like, know how it works, and use it to your advantage. For me that just happens to be a bullet that will still expand well at long range. All I have ever said is they work very well for me.

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Old 11-02-2013, 10:46 AM
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Well, all I can say is that I have never had an animal run off using Berger Bullets. Myself and my clients have killed several big bull moose, bull caribou, wolves, mountain goats and 2 grizzlies. All are dead!.. All never went any further than 50 yards. On the moose I killed, one of the rounds hit him in the front shoulder and traveled about 5 feet before exiting with a massive exit wound. On the pic I up loaded you can see the exit would and blood if you look closely. As for the bear and the bullets not exiting, grizzlies are dense. The rounds still traveled 2-3 feet on both shots. On other moose I have seen no pass trough's. When opened up the moose farside rib cage looked like a shot gun hit him. That moose only took 1 round at 100 yards. All things have the potential to fail. But bottom line, my experience with the Berger bullets has been great.

As for telephone books, that's not a great media to use compared to ballistic gel with real bone. I think if you want to talk about real world experiences use real world material. Use ballistic gel with real bone that represents the animal not telephone books.

In the last 5 years I have killed or watched over 15 big game animals go down using bergers. They all go down, they are all recovered animals bottom line.

Here is a another pic I just got back from the guide!!
I will congratulate you again on your success . You have a couple of fine animals and great stories to boot.

I agree that phone books or even water are not the best media to test bullets with. Flesh and bone are the best media. I rely more on the experiences of the members here including you and Jeff, to get a feel for how a particular bullet will perform in a particular set of circumstances. Form the many, many posts I've read on Bergers, your experience with close range, high velocity impact and deep penetration is not the norm and is not what the manufacturer advertises. And I am not doubting your experience at all. Sometimes they do penetrate deep and sometimes they don't. When used within their operating parameters, they are devastating and deadly.

Best wishes of success on your future hunts.
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Old 11-02-2013, 12:53 PM
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Re: 210 Bergers Get it Done!

again great job on the moose/griz
maybe there is a bit more here then the taking 5 good shots before going down other then poor bullet performance . maybe the berger's did everything they were designed for and then some . dead is dead right ? but what are the odd's that maybe you the shooter misread the 1st shot even needing a fallow up shot or 2 ?
i have been moose hunting and yes they are huge and when you are that close to 1 your adrenaline can be very high . they can take alot of load and not even seem like they have been hit let alone look like they will go down . so we then drop in 1 more and maybe 1 more while the 1st did its job and went where it should have. that big darn moose just did not know how bad it was and just stands there looking at you while you shoot a cpl more times. do you think now after seeing where the 1st shot landed and what it did to him inside that the 1st would have killed him even if none of the fallow up shots were used ?

p.s. i use wet phone books as just 1 more tool for my tool box not my only tool
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