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Unread 11-14-2002, 01:41 PM
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Re: 2 Rifles for Big Game.

Hi, Wyowhisper:

You said, "For Elk/ moose caribou inside of 200 yards .. it hard to beat the 338 win. mag. This will stop a bear too..."

This is the first tiime I have heard anybody put a 200-yard limit on a .338 wm.

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Unread 11-14-2002, 03:23 PM
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Re: 2 Rifles for Big Game.

Hi DC,
The actual horses in the pictures are my Father-In-Laws (I married well). He has 4 foxtrotters and my brother and I have 3. I was riding one of my FIL's since we were packing meat on two horses and they matched up the best. Will post pics with the other horses later.

I agree with what you on cartridge choice. I like the 25-06 for a great all around smaller caliber. I use it on coyotes up to deer and would use it on elk if the situation were right. Not any real compelling reason not to use the .270 or .280 on them but they do have a tad more recoil. I have had a 30-06 for the last 15 years and have killed more yotes and p dogs with it than I have the .25... but I am gaining with the .25.

I defintely agree with Wyo. These folks with the super mags they are afraid to shoot more than once in a row need to make a change. I would rather see someone with a .270 they could shoot than a big RUM they can miss with.

Nebraska, sounds like you have some good guidelines to go by. What guns are you getting rid of to "consolidate"?
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Unread 11-14-2002, 03:49 PM
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Re: 2 Rifles for Big Game.

I have and like:


Nearly identical trajectories to 800 yards with a 200 yd zero, when pushing 180/250 gr bullets( sierra gameking BT spitzers for example) at 2700fps.

All that cheap 7.62 NATO play ammo.

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Unread 11-14-2002, 08:16 PM
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Re: 2 Rifles for Big Game.

Howdy right back at ya....

The only reason and I mean ONLY reason I put a 200 yard limit on the 338 mag. is purely from experience as a guide. I havn't found many "typical hunters" shoot real accurate with one past 200 yards...

I guess I should have considered who is on this board before I said that... thats my bad....


My personal horse is a Fox Trotter.... Never had another guide beat me to any honey hole on him "Dusty" ....real hard to beat them FT's in their gate!!!

I just got myself a Champagne/Amber Buckskin..

He's actually a Dun but get this.. he's the Amber Champagne Color but has a white dun stripe.. never ever saw one before .. so I had to have him.. real sweet mover too....


Tell me about this 25 gibbs.. would it make a good Sheep Hunting Rifle???? I pretty much have my Deer and Elk rifles now.. but I am looking to build/purchase over the next year or so a super light weight LR sheep rifle..... fast, flat, hard hitter that doesn't make ya black and blue!!!

[ 11-14-2002: Message edited by: *WyoWhisper* ]
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Unread 11-14-2002, 08:55 PM
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Re: 2 Rifles for Big Game.


The 25 Gibbs is an Improved 25/06 in which you can improve the powder column by 8 to 9 grs.

It has the "SAME" ballistics as a 257 Weatherby only in a 30/06 or 270 improved case. Ray likes to use the 270 case because it is about .050" longer then the 30/06 case and gives a longer neck.
Yes, it would make a good sheep gun and like QH said, gives less recoil then some of the bigger bore diameter cartriges.

The only problem I have with any 25 cal is the poor selection of bullets as compaired to a bit larger bore. The 25 120 Gr HPBT Sierra dies at extended range because of the huge hole in the hollow point. It's probably the worst bullet Sierra makes.
Probably one of the best bullets I have found for the 25 cal is the 100 gr Ballistic tip which is very accurate and will outperform the 120 gr Sierra BTHP.

Carol and I and another fellow from the 1000 yd range killed 3 woodchecks one day at 1100 yds with our 25/06 and 25 Gibbs. I have 30" and 32" barrels on my 25s. The bullet we used was the 100 gr Ballistic tip. If you blinked your eyes you could have missed the hit from the Gibbs at that range.It got there in a heck of a hurry.

BC means a lot to me when I start to stretch the range at larger game.
The 7mm bore has fantastic bullets available for it. The 135 Gr MK in a 270 is no sloutch either. As a matter of fact, Ray has a 270 and 7mm Gibbs reamer and both are excellent cartriges. They can be chambered for the 270 case also.

Anyway, why would you want to kill something that looks so "cute to you", like the sheep??

Maybe another call to Ray Romain is forthcoming? 814-265-1948

Take care and good hunting.
Darryl Cassel
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Unread 11-14-2002, 10:15 PM
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Re: 2 Rifles for Big Game.

After riding a foxtrotter could you go back to a non gaited horse? I get on most quarterhorses and feel like I could walk faster. Have used Walkers too, but they are a pain to lead on foot cuz they are all over you with their stride.
We have all foxtrotters and most horses would never be able to keep up. It might work if you packed the trotter and rode a different kind. If you did the opposite you would get longer arms out of it.
This year my brother was riding the most powerful one on a trail up a pretty steep mountain and says he was actually passed by someone on a big Missouri mule.

Sorry to digress from the 2 gun topic.

[ 11-14-2002: Message edited by: QuietHunter ]
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Unread 11-15-2002, 12:56 AM
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Re: 2 Rifles for Big Game.

Hello QH

Nice horses in the pics on the other post. Are they yours?

The reason I went with the 270 and 280 over the 25/06 is the better bullets available in the two.

I like the heavier 130,140 and 150 in the 270 and the 162, 168 & 180 in the 7mm or 280 round.
The 25/06 kills fine with bullets of 100 to 120 gr, but the limitation or lack of better, heavier, higher BC bullets, for the 25 cal. has always puzzled me.

I just feel the 270 or 280 (7mm) has some advantages over the 25.

We are on the same thoughts concerning the 338 Win mag though.

Just my .02

PS---I do have a 25/06 and a 25 Gibbs for comparison.
Darryl Cassel
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