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Old 05-08-2007, 03:52 PM
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Re: 2 missed black bears

At those distances, you guy's probably better-off if you did not touch the dial on your scope, knowing that your unsure of the angle. Shooting a higher BC bullet on a flat shooting round like the 7mm Mag, one could easily overshot even a bigger target like bears. Without knowing your rifle Zero, the bullet actual loading data and actual field condition, I put together these data using factory load. At 360 yards, assuming a 12" killzone, the max PBR on your 175 ULD RBBT was probably around 388yards and for the 150 NBT, probably 392 yards. As you can see, you could have hit those bears without even touching the dial on your scope. I always zeroed my rifle at 100 and anything this side of 400 yards, I won't bother touching my dial. You can easily guesstimate the holdover at that distance on big games.
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Old 05-08-2007, 04:32 PM
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Re: 2 missed black bears

Hey Rem,

Looks like great country. Sounds like a hell of a lot of fun. I've shot high on the steep shots myself. Once with a bow, twice with rifles. Easy mistake to make, especially at the ranges you're talking about. I now carry a sope doper, always!

I gotta tell ya I was dissapointed to read about a shot taken and not followed up on. I read your reasons. Still didn't like it. Long range is pretty hotly debated, and this is one of the key issues. 'Nough said.

Thanks for the story an' pics. Good luck next weekend!! Looking forward to the success photos.
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Old 05-08-2007, 07:31 PM
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Re: 2 missed black bears

This is what you need Remmy,

http://www.snipertools.com/aci.htm
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Old 05-08-2007, 08:38 PM
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This is what you need Remmy,

http://www.snipertools.com/aci.htm

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Looks cool, I guess I would have to take a calculater with me if I bought one. Maths not my best subject. Does the Co-Sine mean its in inches, rather than minutes of angle?
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Old 05-08-2007, 10:06 PM
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Re: 2 missed black bears

Or, if you qualify as poor, like I do, you could check out this thread:

http://longrangehunting.com/ubbthreads/s...=true#Post92532

I duped Buffalobob's, for a total cost of ~ $0.00, and find it to work well.
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Old 05-09-2007, 05:14 AM
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I gotta tell ya I was disappointed to read about a shot taken and not followed up on. I read your reasons. Still didn't like it.

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grit, I totally agree.

Remmy, surely if you would have killed the bear you would have gone and gotten it. Doesn't a possibly wounded bear deserve the same respect. How do you sleep at night?
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Old 05-09-2007, 10:28 AM
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Re: 2 missed black bears

I missed plain and simple. My scope was set on 350, shoulda been on 250, I just plain overshot both of them, I know I did. I really highly doubt I hit the first one. After I shot, we saw it running through a clearing, hauling butt about 300-400 yards away from where I had taken the shot, I really highly doubt it was hit. If it was, it wasn't very good and we would have never caught up with it in the dark. And like I said, it was 45 minutes to dark, with the obstacles we had to overcome, getting down a cliff and crossing a river, just wasn't going to happen in that amount of time. If I would have seen him drop at the shot, well hell it woulda been a little different story, but we still woulda had a helluva time trying to get over to it, so whats the difference? It was the same scenario on the 2nd one when I over shot him by a foot. If I woulda hit either of them square, they would not have went far, period. I've shot 4 bears over the years, 3 with a 25-06 between 375-450 yards and none of them went no 300-400 yards after being hit good. Good hit from a 7 mag woulda/shoulda sent them tumbling down the canyon.

I was contemplating even telling the story because I know I'd have to sit here and explain myself on why I didn't go check, on a possibly hit bear. All its gonna do is make me look bad to some of you. I know I missed both of them, plain and simple, end of story.

I dont want this to turn into some kinda ethical battle here. If my dad didn't seem to think it was a good idea to try and climb down that cliff, and cross the river, and try to look for a wounded bear in the dark, then maybe it wasn't a good idea. I for one didn't like the idea of going down the cliff, believe me, you fall off that, your having a broken leg or worse, a broken skull, broken rifle/scope. There just wasnt' enough daylight left to walk a couple canyons over, and walk around. Know what I mean?

The way I see it is this, we just did some pretty piss poor shooting. Were gonna go back up this weekend and I'm bringing a couple friends and were gonna sweep the hillside he last went into. Were gonna spend a whole day in there looking for him. If that doens't do you justice then I dont know what will. I'll surely post results if we find him or not. I"m betting on not though.
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