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Old 12-06-2013, 07:01 PM
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Re: 180 Berger VLD expansion mystery

Here's a pic of the exit on my Elk at 786yds with the 180gr berger vlds out of my 7mm rem mag moving 3000fps. Shooter shows it having 2040fps and 1660ft lbs of energy at that distance. My friends elk shot at 688yds had great results as well.

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Old 12-06-2013, 07:32 PM
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Re: 180 Berger VLD expansion mystery

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Ditto huntthedistance, can't forsee everything.

FBI tests hollow point ammo more than anybody and they have found that if the hollow point gets clogged with debris- cloth, sheetrock, leather - the hollow point turns into a FMJ. If the front of a hunting bullet sustains even minor damage from, say a blade of grass between the target and you, it is possible that it will not upset.

I am not saying that's what happened but maybe...
Very likely the case, I also shoot berger exclusivly, however I do check every loaded round with a staple. A single staple should enter the tip apprx. 1/4 inch.I have found an avge. of 2 bullets per box that can not be penetrated, making it a full metal jacket. jeff~
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Old 12-06-2013, 08:02 PM
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Re: 180 Berger VLD expansion mystery

Having only killed a few whitetail doe with 115gr vld from with 25-06 I'm by no means an expert on ballistics. But doesn't berger recommend a high shoulder shot on their website for larger critters maybe to ensure fragmentation? Every deer I've seen killed with them were bang flop and right behind the shoulder shots, golf to baseball sized exits hitting ribs both coming and going. A couple hit shoulder blades on both sides and didn't exit but they were extremely close shots like 20-30yd. Maybe you got that one in million bullet that just wasn't right to begin with. I've only ever heard a handful of complaints with these bullets and I researched them extensively on this and other sites when choosing a load for my 06 and 7mag. If you've only had one weird experience with them out of the 20 or so you've killed I'd say that's still pretty good results.
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Old 12-06-2013, 08:17 PM
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Re: 180 Berger VLD expansion mystery

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Very likely the case, I also shoot berger exclusivly, however I do check every loaded round with a staple. A single staple should enter the tip apprx. 1/4 inch.I have found an avge. of 2 bullets per box that can not be penetrated, making it a full metal jacket. jeff~
Good advice! I've read this before and started checking mine. Any that the staple won't penetrate get used on steel.
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Old 12-06-2013, 08:19 PM
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Re: 180 Berger VLD expansion mystery

I'll try the staple method. Maybe there was something in the tip. As far as damage to the bullet, there was no visible sign of it. Also,I load my rounds one at a time. I usually dont put them into the magazine. So far, this has been the only round that didn't perform as expected. And as I will show in near future, it was a very very hard impact with no expansion.

Thanks for the replies guys
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Old 12-06-2013, 08:48 PM
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Re: 180 Berger VLD expansion mystery

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This year makes only the second year using the 180 vlds. However, between myself and a few buddies we have 17 kills using this bullet. The first 16 were at distances from 250 yards to 1015 yards. The bullet performed excellent in all 16 kills. The only animal requiring a second bullet was a 1015 yd doe which I hit a little low and back. But even at that distance, still had expansion. The 250 yd muledeer had tremendous expansion. 15 of the 16 animals dropped in their tracks.

Now, animal 17. My son shot his first buck at 160 yds, breaking both shoulders and also dropping his buck in its tracks. Expecting to see the offside shoulder gone, I was shocked to see simply a bullet hole out the backside.

Why did this bullet not expand?

I will be skinning this deer in the next couple days and will document images to go along with the rest of the videod hunt. Once video is complete, I will get it on here for everyone to watch.
oldmossy, don't sweat it. You are whacking and stacking game and they are all dead and you haven't tracked one yet. I don't care what bullet you use, if you hunt enough you will have a shot that does not do what you expect. That is just how it is. It will be interesting to see what you find as you skin the deer. Is it possible since the deer was dead on impact that the bullet did enter and expand and only a small part of it exited? Just a thought.

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Old 12-06-2013, 08:50 PM
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Re: 180 Berger VLD expansion mystery

What did the insides of the deer look like. I've shot a few animals with a caliber size hole in and out but everything in between looked like jello. I figured the bullet fragged and only a small chunk exited.
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