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Old 04-21-2011, 08:37 PM
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1000 yrd qualification

The gun club I belong to has a requirement to qualify on the 1000 yard range due to their insurance requirements. I have done a fair amount of long range field shooting but not at a formal range at 1000 yards.

I have 3 rifles that I am considering. All are standard, thin barrel hunting rifles in the 1" to 1.5" range. They are a 25-06, 270, & 30-06. All are old Rem 700's. I use 100, 130 & 165 Nosler Partitions for hunting (Oryx this fall) so have matched that in a SPBT in Sierra for my work up and practice loads. Those are the bullets that I would plan on using for the qualifications.

I have a couple of questions.

1. Is there any significant reason for using one over the other? When I run the ballistics there really isn't much difference in the down range performance for paper.

2. Is it practical to use a hunting scope (without the target turrets) in 1000 yard shooting? I understand we will start at the 300 yards (which I am sighted in for anyway, well 265) and work our way back to the 1000. I don't think they have any hold over markers so I presume that we will have to adjust the scope for the drop at the range shot.

The requirement is 10 shots at 1000 yards, all in the burm and 6 in the paper. If any hit in front of the burn you are disqualified. That makes me very apprehensive of using hold over without having a definate hold over marker.

Any helpful hints for a novice, beginner will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
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Old 04-21-2011, 09:12 PM
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Re: 1000 yrd qualification

what scopes? are the triggers adjusted?? i would shoot the 30-06 . i would use either a 175 berger or a 190 matchking or berger and i would use lapua brass, h-4350 or varget and i would drive as fast as i could within pressure and safety limiits. the scope is going to need a lot of adjustment. does your scope have the ability to be adjusted to hit 18 inches high at 100 yards??
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Old 04-21-2011, 10:05 PM
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Re: 1000 yrd qualification

I wouldn't try it until you get a scope with turrets...
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Old 04-21-2011, 10:19 PM
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Re: 1000 yrd qualification

I am no expert, but I shoot a 1,000 yard course once a month with similar equipment (i.e. scope hunting rifles in STW and .300 WSM). I can shoot under 3-inch group pretty routinely at 500 yards, but things get iffy real fast after that. The course we shoot is 100-yard increments from 200 out to 1,000. I have come ot the point where I don't shoot past 700 yards. I can't reliably stay on the paper beyond 800. The reason is I don't shoot high BC bullets so wind drift gets exponentially crazy, and I have a calibrated reticle out to 700 yards but I don't have "adjustable turrets".

As stated above, you really need Bergers or other hi-BC bullets at that range. Without hi-BC bullets and adjustable turrets, you will have so much holdover you won't have a reliable aiming reference. The calibers don't matter so much in and of themselves, but the .30 should have higher BC bullets avaialble if your rifle has enough twist to shoot them. HTH.
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Old 04-21-2011, 10:29 PM
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Re: 1000 yrd qualification

At this point I am not trying to make score or set up for regular shooting. Just to get through the qualification. The reason is that I want to use the 600 yard portion for practicing for the Oryx hunt this fall. Don't plan to shoot that far but it is a once in a lifetime hunt. 300 yards is the maximum range except for the 1000 yard course.

Since I already have loads worked up for the above listed, I will use one of those. My leaning has been for the 270 as that is what I plan to hunt the Oryx with. Right now I have it set up with a 6x24 that has enough adjustment to get to the 1000. But since they are all long action 700's with Redfield mounts, I can readily change them over with minimal sight in effort.

I have some el-cheapo 6x18 and 4x16 scopes, with turrets, that I could use. Finances don't permit me to get another scope just for this, so I am limited by what I have. I have an old 2x7 acurange on the 30-06, a 3x9 redfield on the 25-06 and the 6x24 on the 270 for the 1000 yard range.
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Old 04-21-2011, 10:50 PM
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Re: 1000 yrd qualification

Your reason for shooting the 1k sounds exactly like mine.

Regardless of what you have, if you can get it adjusted properly for 1k the scope should work. Magnification isn't a huge issue if hitting paper is what you are after, but at 12 and 16 power, that target looks small at 1k to me. What you have should work though.

The hi-BC bullets are really important IMHO. If you have some ballistic software, try running a hunting bullet and a berger at 1k and look at the difference in drift. It is amazing at that distance. Where I shoot, the winds are shifty and tough to read. But even at 5 mph in shifting winds, hitting paper at 1k is a challenge with my Barnes. If you can't or don't want to do the hi-BC load change, I would try and shoot on a really calm day.

I encourage you to go for it though. It paid off for me this past year. I was able to drop and make a 538 shot with about 15 seconds to deploy the bipod, prep, calc, and fire. I was less then an inch off my POI. I could have never done that without all the practice and confidence the 1k gave me.
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Re: 1000 yrd qualification

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At this point I am not trying to make score or set up for regular shooting. Just to get through the qualification. The reason is that I want to use the 600 yard portion for practicing for the Oryx hunt this fall. Don't plan to shoot that far but it is a once in a lifetime hunt. 300 yards is the maximum range except for the 1000 yard course.

Since I already have loads worked up for the above listed, I will use one of those. My leaning has been for the 270 as that is what I plan to hunt the Oryx with. Right now I have it set up with a 6x24 that has enough adjustment to get to the 1000. But since they are all long action 700's with Redfield mounts, I can readily change them over with minimal sight in effort.

I have some el-cheapo 6x18 and 4x16 scopes, with turrets, that I could use. Finances don't permit me to get another scope just for this, so I am limited by what I have. I have an old 2x7 acurange on the 30-06, a 3x9 redfield on the 25-06 and the 6x24 on the 270 for the 1000 yard range.
Are any of your scope mil dot scopes?

Have you shot any of them at 1000yds so far?

Your 0-6 with High BC bullets by far is going to be the one that the ballistics tables says is the best of the three IF you use the Hi BC VLD bullets.

If I read your first post correctly though none of the three are shooting sub MOA as they are set up now and with the ammo you have, so I'd say your odds of being successful without accurizing the rifles, maybe some trigger work, definitely better ammo and getting some practice are fairly slim.

Life beyond 600yds gets extremely complicated and tolerances become razor thin. If you are not set up properly hitting 60% and NOT having any shots fall short is going to be an uphill task at best.
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