Originally Posted by 284nut
I need to try the 168, but feel the 140 doesn't do what I like at 3300fps.
3300 is what we have found to be a threshold for a bullet on the edge of coming apart WHEN used with fast twist barrels. I will assume you have a 1 in 9 twist. The only thing I feel you could do to aggravate the situation more would to be using a 3 or 4 grove barrel that induces more inscription to the bullet jacket making it even more fragile.
Not trying to insult in any way if that sounded bad, just offering what we have seen in an effort to offer a solution. We have been there and the small fast bullets with tight twists in a 3 grove is creating the perfect storm. Especially when placed in the shoulder.
Just a friendly suggestion would be to go to the 168 or better yet a 180 and try a behind the shoulder shot when and if possible. I feel you may get the results you are seeking.
OP, The 180 Hybrid has proven to open best for us at the longer pokes. Yet expect large exits on softer game at closer distances resulting in very dead animals.
The 180 VLD has opened a little slower for us up close but could prove to not expand enough with impact velocities below 18 or 1900 fps. way out there.
The hunters are designed for use in shorter mag boxed. That may be your only choice if you want to retain the use of the mag box. With out measuring the rifle up I can't say for sure.